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the smoke radio for the masses

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the Army Air Forces has announced that

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applying this has been found and is now

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in the possession of the army

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game is rigged change the game game

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changer

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I occasionally think how quickly our

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differences worldwide would vanish if we

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were facing an alien threat from outside

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which worked

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at the church

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I need your help to get to the year

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1985.

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you're listening to fade to black with

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Jimmy judge on The Game Changer Network

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2022.

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I would like to welcome everybody

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listening all around the world all

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across the United States

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yeah

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they're a tither to and fro back and

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forth up and down east and west north

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and south far and near

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this is Fade to block for kjcr the game

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changer Network I'm Meryl's Jimmy Church

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what is cracking everybody how you doing

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how you doing and now I know

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I know what today is it's November 22nd

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the anniversary of the assassination of

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JFK and you know it should be solemn you

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know sort of I I don't have that Gene

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um but uh yeah

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so

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um with that our guest

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today is our good friend my good friend

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Jack Roth he is here

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and his new book called Killing Kennedy

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was released back on November 15th

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uh every year around this time in Dallas

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Texas they have a a convention

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um out there uh uh about JFK for JFK and

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he just got back from that so

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um and he's here with us today and uh so

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we will be discussing the the book The

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Legacy John F Kennedy

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um I was I was just a month old

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um when the assassination happened I was

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born in October and of course it

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happened on November 22nd I was born on

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uh October 10th so I was what six weeks

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and uh so uh yeah I was alive I was born

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but I certainly don't remember anything

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and uh my mom

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used to tell me about it though and and

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kind of like I think that memories that

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um a lot of parents you know will will

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tell their children but so I'm sure that

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uh my story is not a unique one

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um because I've heard it too as well

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um but my mom said that I was in front

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um in a bassinet and you know and and uh

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when she got the news

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and uh she said no we sat there all day

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and the things and the Legacy and and

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who JFK was well that all came later uh

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for me in life and I wasn't around I'm

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only 60 you know I'm 59. so um yeah

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uh if you're five years older than me

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then you've got a memory right if you're

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65 then you you remember JFK you

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um but that's what we're gonna do today

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with Jack and then tomorrow is another

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fader night with open lines and uh we're

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doing that tomorrow because Thursday

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I've got uh company coming over we're

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I'm going to be on with Christina Gomez

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Mysteries with a history and now we're

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going to do that uh on Thursday uh

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Thanksgiving so I'll see everybody there

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tomorrow night's fader night

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coming up I will be hosting and I'm

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seeing the conscious life Expo it's

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below conscious life

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expo.com 200 speakers 200 vendors

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especially vents uh it's gonna be an

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amazing weekend like it is every year

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tickets and info are below you can get

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um on Saturday uh two weeks after that

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2023 I will be hosting the peripod

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Regency it's a live one day podcast

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Awards and Film Festival it's gonna be

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great I'll see everybody there you can

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submit your media right now at

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parapodfilmfest.com the link is below

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all right if you're a Creator get your

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it's fine though it just needs more

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April 7th through the 14th 2023 I will

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be hosting and presenting on the hidden

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secrets seminar at Sea cruise

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yeah long list of presenters uh you can

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just go and click on the link below and

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see everything go on the cruise hang out

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with me it's going to be awesome departs

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out of La goes down to Mexico turns

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around comes back all right so I'll see

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everybody there April 7th through the

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14th all right now links for everything

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that I do are in the description box

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below they're over on my website

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they are in social media so click visit

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our sponsors do all that stuff lots of

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events going down in in 2023 and uh I'll

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be unveiling more and more as we move

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I didn't make the shrimp scampi last

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quesadillas tonight is shrimp's camping

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yeah see I needed to get white wine in

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order to make a good scampi you need a a

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fresh bottle of white wine

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so I didn't do that last night after the

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show I bailed on the idea but I did it

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Renee I was talking about my squeaky

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glasses right

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Renee sent me an email today she goes so

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Jimmy what's he need you need thin wire

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frames you need themed wire frame

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instead of the plastic you need thin

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plus you're going to look smarter I'm

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like okay I'm down for that

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I'm down for that so maybe I can get rid

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of the squeaks I have in-ear monitors

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horribly expensive by the way

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um and I just couldn't get those to work

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I I don't know why they don't sound good

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let's move on let's get to the breaking

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news Artemis won NASA's powerful New

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board that's going to be Artemis 2

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2024. photos of the elevators for the

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servicing of the launch Tower show

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crooked framing around at least one of

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the two lifts after the doors were

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ripped away by the shock wave that was

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it's too big it's awesome it's awesome

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have you seen the pictures it's pretty

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ever want to own your own Island

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I remember when I was a kid smoking weed

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with my friends you know and I was like

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14 15 years old you know doing bong rips

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before school and you know sitting

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around me you know what I would do man

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you know what I would you know if I had

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my own Island you know what I would do I

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would make it I would make uh I would

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make it illegal not to smoke pot

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that's what I would do and you can do

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a group of Indonesian Islands known as

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The wedi Reserve is about to go up for

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auction and what could be the most

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eye-popping real estate sales ever to

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the 100 plus Islands you heard me right

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100 Islands in East Indonesia's Coral

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triangle are spread out over 25

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000 Acres roughly the size of Bora Bora

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non-indonesians cannot officially buy

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islands in the country but there's a

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workaround the wedi reserve does that by

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PT leader Point leadership it's PT

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period is it point it's PT leadership

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from there you the new owner will be

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free to develop it as you wish

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yeah yeah think about that

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all right do we do fate or not Island

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yeah I'm gonna talk about Batman here in

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a second too it's pretty mind-blowing

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legalizing recreational marijuana you

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can do it on your own Indonesian Island

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but it was also on the balance in a

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handful of states for this month's

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mid-term elections now before Tuesday

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19 States and the District of Columbia

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what those would be like Puerto Rico and

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and Haiti I don't know Dominican

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Republic I don't know but two other

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territories had legalized recreational

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marijuana in some form now

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Maryland and Missouri can join that list

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bringing the total total to 21 states

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where you can smoke pot

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that's right

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meanwhile Arkansas wouldn't want to live

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there North Dakota wouldn't want to live

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there either and South Dakota nah nobody

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cares

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those voters rejected their states

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legalization proposals that's right

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is that is that marijuana young man yeah

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that's what you get in those States a

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global panel of scientists and

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government Representatives have voted to

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scrap leap seconds

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that's right that's it leap seconds are

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you don't even know what a leap second

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is so let me tell you the time

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adjustment is occasionally inserted to

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account for the gradual slowdown of

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planet Earth that's right that rotation

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slowing down has caused headaches for

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numerous tech companies over the years

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the leap second was introduced in 1972

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as a way to adjust coordinated universal

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every 21 months that's right every 21

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months inject a second

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as these seconds are irregular and hard

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to predict due to the varying speed of

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the Earth's rotation I didn't know that

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they can disrupt systems that require

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precise time keeping so

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resolution D calls for UTC to go

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uninterrupted by leap seconds from the

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year 2035 until at least 21 35 during

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which it's hoped that scientists can

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develop a better system for keeping

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Atomic and astronomical time scales in

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sync

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there you go now check this out

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crew members of the SpaceX

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Polaris Dawn mission

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are currently training for their orbital

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flight early next year one that we'll

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see for the very first time

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the first private spacewalk

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in history

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that's right a private citizen is going

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to spacewalk it's incredible

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they're also going to carry out studies

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on the long-term implications of

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microgravity and radiation on human

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health all right

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Polaris done and their SpaceX crew

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Dragon craft are targeted for liftoff no

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earlier than March 23rd

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2023 from NASA's Kennedy Space Center

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a private citizen spacewalk

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yeah that's pretty incredible actually

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on this day in history

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otd

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the Northrop B2 stealth bomber is shown

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publicly for the first time at Air Force

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plant 42 right up the street in Palmdale

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California

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Air Force plant 42. that doesn't even

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sound like a real place now this is what

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you do

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Air Force plant 42.

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look it up on Google Maps

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it doesn't it doesn't sound real does it

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Air Force plan 42 pop it in

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Air Force plan 42 it's about that many

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Air Force

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plant

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it's gonna pop up right there in Google

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maps go to satellite view zoom in

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it's a real place

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that's where they got them alien bodies

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Air Force plan 42. happened on this day

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in 1988 it's gonna happen again in

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about a week

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yeah 10 days December 2nd

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pretty incredible right up the street

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fader fact oh I was going to tell you

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Australia

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Batman

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was the founder of the town that became

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Melbourne

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that's right

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Australia you gotta love this and

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originally he called Melbourne

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batmania

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I'm not making this up

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there is still a street named after him

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there too it's called

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Batman Avenue

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and that

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is your fader fact I mentioned a bit

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people in Australia don't even know that

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they need me

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Jimmy Church

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to give that fact it's pretty cool huh

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John Batman

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I am Batman yes you are

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today is November 22nd it is the

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anniversary of the assassination of John

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F Kennedy tonight Jack Roth joins us

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we're going to be talking about his new

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book it's called Killing Kennedy

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um I have read it

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and uh yeah and the book was a release

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and it's now published it was released

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on November 15th the links for the new

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book are in the description box below

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over on our website and and throughout

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social media so I invite everybody to uh

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read the book it is a great read

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tomorrow night is fader night Happy

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Thanksgiving everybody it is

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Thanksgiving week tomorrow night's gonna

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be a very special fader Thanksgiving

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open lines all night long and then uh

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Thursday taking the day off but Thursday

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afternoon I'll be going live with

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Christina Gomez on her show

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histories with a mystery

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that's right or is it Mysteries

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she just flipped her lid right now

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she's like church go ahead watch watch

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she's gonna text me

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yeah it's gonna happen that fast

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all right where I'm at so uh check this

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you know the movie Stargate

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right it's a great movie

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James Spader

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and uh you know the story right so

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um and one of my favorite scenes in all

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of uh Hollywood and Hollywood Cinema

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is

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Spader he's like at the Met he's at some

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Museum looks like them it's not the map

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because everybody comes out you can tell

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something about

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um it may be a hotel but it doesn't

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matter he comes out but when he's doing

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his presentation on who built the Great

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Pyramid I think that's the title of his

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uh presentation his seminar who built

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the Great Pyramid so he's up there he's

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talking about hieroglyphics and he's

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talking about

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oh man uh the lack of hieroglyphics

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inside of the Great Pyramid the age of

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the Great Pyramid he brings up the the

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Sphinx and

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um he brings up uh uh Colonel Vice and

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that he hoaxed you know the graffiti in

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uh in the relieving Chambers above the

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king's chamber it's a great scene and

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somebody raised well if they didn't you

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know who who did build the Pyramid he

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says well I don't know and the room

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empties it's a great scene

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now Roland Emerick and uh his co-writer

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of course it was directed by Royal

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mamrick they do a great job of Egyptian

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history and they they drop a lot of uh

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really good conspiracy bombs in there

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that we talk about all the time on this

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show and

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excuse me

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in the movie

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and you've got to see it it happens

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really really fast James Spader you get

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to see a glimpse of his research

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materials right

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and there is a quick shot of some books

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on a table

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and one of them

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is this

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Egypt before the Pharaohs

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by Michael Hoffman and you see the book

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sitting there and you know they show One

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Shot shows the cover you see like half

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of it you see half you know he's and

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then another shot you see the spine uh

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of the but here it is there it is

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hardcover and

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um if this is a rare book it's out of

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print

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um you can find them but here it is

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Egypt before the Pharaohs and and I

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bring this up for a couple of reasons

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one I just watched the movie and um and

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uh like two days ago three days ago and

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uh

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I just man that first 30 minutes of the

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movie so good so anyway

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um that scene pops up and I went man I

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got that book that's right so I go and I

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dig through my stuff and I find it and

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I'm like I just got back from Egypt I

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need to go back and read this again it's

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one of my favorite books and I found out

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about this book because of the DVD yeah

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of uh Stargate I freeze framed It This

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was oh man

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God I don't I don't even know it was you

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know 20 years ago freeze frame that got

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it boom and and I was able to get the

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00:26:59,269 --> 00:26:57,840
book but that's not the point the point

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00:27:01,070 --> 00:26:59,279
is this

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this morning

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uh my phone rings and

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it's a an old oh one of my oldest

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Friends James Fox I call him pops and he

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00:27:15,830 --> 00:27:12,840
is nearly not completely but solely

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00:27:17,810 --> 00:27:15,840
responsible for uh bringing me into the

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00:27:19,490 --> 00:27:17,820
music industry that's another story in

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00:27:20,810 --> 00:27:19,500
of itself

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thank you

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but he calls me son I call him pops

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today

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and says how you doing it's a pretty

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good he goes man I

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just want to talk to you about Egypt

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I was following everything and you know

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pops and I we talk quite a bit but I

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haven't talked to him since I got back

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from YouTube so I was following

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everything on Facebook absolutely

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fascinating tell me a story

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and this is what

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I and I went and got the book

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um

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and

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it's not the Majesty it's not the

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temples it's not the Great Pyramid pops

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it's not that

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it's that

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it is so old

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you know you're you're

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at places in Sakara

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that are literally five thousand years

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00:28:24,230 --> 00:28:20,159
old abidos five thousand years old or

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older and who

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was there before

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the stuff wasn't just planted one day

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and everybody had these I who

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brought this to them

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and it takes me right back to this book

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before the Pharaohs and I'll tell you

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our knowledge of Egypt today we take for

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granted because it's pretty easy we've

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had 150 years of hieroglyphics uh the

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Rosetta Stone uh British and in

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Americans and Italians and and and

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00:29:09,529 --> 00:29:06,600
others going to Egypt and and uncovering

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things and and presenting things and we

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think that we know the history of the

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Pharaohs and the Kings and the Dynasty

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and the queens and and everything else

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we think that we understand this

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um and that's all there is to Egypt that

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is clearly not the case

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Egypt before the Pharaohs

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is difficult

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no writing

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allegedly

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00:29:46,970 --> 00:29:44,640
um nothing to represent or do we have

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00:29:48,970 --> 00:29:46,980
stuff there

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00:29:52,010 --> 00:29:48,980
um there are

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00:29:55,070 --> 00:29:52,020
examples in the desert of

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of high-tech and civilization

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00:30:00,529 --> 00:29:58,380
um going back seven thousand years

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eight thousand

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00:30:04,330 --> 00:30:03,360
um but not as far back as go back Lee

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Tepe

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so this to me this book and the ideas

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that not only it presents but things

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00:30:20,210 --> 00:30:15,240
that we really need to think about

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right because it's not what we're taught

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00:30:27,889 --> 00:30:24,659
it's that's a 150 year old tradition of

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00:30:32,870 --> 00:30:27,899
egyptology that's it

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00:30:35,090 --> 00:30:32,880
that's it colonel Vice really right and

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that's where it all started and the

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Dogma continues to this day

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if you get a chance get this book I'm

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00:30:44,810 --> 00:30:42,779
going to talk more about it I'm going to

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00:30:47,029 --> 00:30:44,820
go and uh give it another read through

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00:30:51,409 --> 00:30:47,039
I'm putting together a documentary right

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00:30:53,810 --> 00:30:51,419
now on uh Egypt and my trip to Egypt and

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this is what I'm going to cover this is

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Fade to Black I'm your host Jimmy Church

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it sounds like my voice is going it's

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foreign

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rivermoonwellness.com I'm Yours Jimmy

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church tonight Jack Roth is here today

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is November 22nd it's the anniversary of

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the JFK assassination we're going to be

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discussing his new book Killing Kennedy

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all that and much more when we come back

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[Music]

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this is Nicole Church daughter of you

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know who and you're listening to fade to

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black on jimmychurchradio.com and The

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you're listening to jebby church and

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you're listening to Jimmy Church Fade to

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will now pause for alien identification

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hi this is Rob Reiner from Anvil and

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you're listening to Jimmy

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[Music]

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Jimmy church today November 22nd it's

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the anniversary of the JFK assassination

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it's also Thanksgiving week

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um Happy Thanksgiving everybody

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tomorrow's fader night

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00:35:52,130 --> 00:35:49,200
because Thursday is Thanksgiving uh

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00:35:55,370 --> 00:35:52,140
taking the day off but tonight Jack Roth

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00:35:57,050 --> 00:35:55,380
is with us once again this time around

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00:36:00,050 --> 00:35:57,060
we're going to talk about his new book

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00:36:03,410 --> 00:36:00,060
it was just released on uh November 15th

626
00:36:04,430 --> 00:36:03,420
it's called Killing Kennedy exposing the

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00:36:06,710 --> 00:36:04,440
plot

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00:36:09,230 --> 00:36:06,720
Jack of course he's a journalist he's a

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00:36:12,890 --> 00:36:09,240
documentary film producer for j3 films

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00:36:15,470 --> 00:36:12,900
and a non-fiction book writer and uh

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00:36:17,390 --> 00:36:15,480
author I should say he's produced many

632
00:36:20,270 --> 00:36:17,400
award-winning films including the

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00:36:23,450 --> 00:36:20,280
extraordinary film series for j3 films

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00:36:26,089 --> 00:36:23,460
which also includes extraordinary the

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00:36:28,970 --> 00:36:26,099
revelations that's a really good one out

636
00:36:31,130 --> 00:36:28,980
of all of them that's the one that's the

637
00:36:33,589 --> 00:36:31,140
one in Killing Kennedy exposing the plot

638
00:36:35,210 --> 00:36:33,599
the cover-up and the consequences Jack

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00:36:37,069 --> 00:36:35,220
interviews researchers Scholars

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00:36:39,589 --> 00:36:37,079
eyewitnesses and family members of those

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00:36:41,510 --> 00:36:39,599
who are part of the tangled web of U.S

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00:36:43,370 --> 00:36:41,520
intelligence operations associated with

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00:36:44,750 --> 00:36:43,380
the Cold War and of course the

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00:36:46,910 --> 00:36:44,760
circumstances surrounding the

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00:36:48,950 --> 00:36:46,920
assassination of John F Kennedy in

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00:36:52,190 --> 00:36:48,960
addition to killing Kennedy's also the

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00:36:54,490 --> 00:36:52,200
author of go soldiers of Gettysburg an

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00:36:57,650 --> 00:36:54,500
unknown down and you can go to Amazon

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00:36:59,810 --> 00:36:57,660
right now and check out Killing Kennedy

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00:37:02,150 --> 00:36:59,820
and Jack's other books the links are

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00:37:06,470 --> 00:37:02,160
below and now I would like to welcome

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00:37:10,430 --> 00:37:06,480
back to Fade to Black

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00:37:13,430 --> 00:37:10,440
Bel Air jacron

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00:37:15,290 --> 00:37:13,440
Bella hey you knew you knew I wasn't

655
00:37:17,270 --> 00:37:15,300
going to let that go how you doing jack

656
00:37:19,970 --> 00:37:17,280
I had a feeling you weren't I'm doing

657
00:37:21,770 --> 00:37:19,980
good Jimmy how are you it's a it's not

658
00:37:23,450 --> 00:37:21,780
only is it great to hear your voice but

659
00:37:25,910 --> 00:37:23,460
it's uh great to see you my friend and

660
00:37:27,650 --> 00:37:25,920
it's uh Happy Thanksgiving I hope that

661
00:37:29,990 --> 00:37:27,660
you and the family are ready

662
00:37:32,150 --> 00:37:30,000
same to you yeah and I was ready as

663
00:37:33,829 --> 00:37:32,160
we'll ever be but yeah it's kind of been

664
00:37:35,690 --> 00:37:33,839
a weird one because I've been so busy

665
00:37:38,750 --> 00:37:35,700
with the book and the promotion that I

666
00:37:40,790 --> 00:37:38,760
I'm not in Holiday mode yet so well it's

667
00:37:44,690 --> 00:37:40,800
what's it like see the thing is

668
00:37:48,109 --> 00:37:44,700
everybody Bel Air Jack lives next door

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00:37:51,470 --> 00:37:48,119
to Paris Hilton in Miami Beach and a

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00:37:55,130 --> 00:37:51,480
high-rise uh Penthouse uh on one of

671
00:37:58,390 --> 00:37:55,140
those strange islands and uh so in

672
00:38:01,790 --> 00:37:58,400
living that lifestyle

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00:38:02,630 --> 00:38:01,800
uh do you guys get the holiday Vibe down

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00:38:05,750 --> 00:38:02,640
there

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00:38:08,150 --> 00:38:05,760
you know it's warm down here yeah you

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00:38:11,870 --> 00:38:08,160
know in November it uh you know it's

677
00:38:13,609 --> 00:38:11,880
that's not it stays about 80 78 75 80

678
00:38:16,130 --> 00:38:13,619
degrees you know so what do you do to

679
00:38:19,010 --> 00:38:16,140
get in the spirit what do you do it's

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00:38:22,849 --> 00:38:19,020
not go for a swim I can't go for a swim

681
00:38:24,410 --> 00:38:22,859
no fake snow nothing like that no you

682
00:38:26,390 --> 00:38:24,420
know just we enjoy the food you know

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00:38:28,430 --> 00:38:26,400
food is good whether it's hot or cold so

684
00:38:30,650 --> 00:38:28,440
yeah being with friends and family you

685
00:38:32,390 --> 00:38:30,660
know listen you're cracking me up like

686
00:38:34,790 --> 00:38:32,400
you know the whole story the Bel Air

687
00:38:36,470 --> 00:38:34,800
thing you really thought I was from Bel

688
00:38:38,329 --> 00:38:36,480
Air that was the [\h__\h] that was the

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00:38:40,370 --> 00:38:38,339
funniest thing and and I learned that's

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00:38:42,470 --> 00:38:40,380
a compliment so that's a good thing it

691
00:38:44,329 --> 00:38:42,480
is it is it is and you know what 20

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00:38:47,690 --> 00:38:44,339
years from now you know we'll be on some

693
00:38:50,569 --> 00:38:47,700
Island in Fiji with glass floors you

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00:38:51,530 --> 00:38:50,579
know kicking back with cocktails with

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00:38:54,829 --> 00:38:51,540
umbrellas

696
00:38:58,490 --> 00:38:54,839
and we'll share the story about Bel Air

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00:39:03,530 --> 00:38:58,500
Jack and how it happened but um do you

698
00:39:07,130 --> 00:39:03,540
have like um do you have uh uh

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00:39:11,510 --> 00:39:07,140
fake snow holiday direct decorations

700
00:39:13,970 --> 00:39:11,520
no not you don't even do that no so yeah

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00:39:16,430 --> 00:39:13,980
for Christmas a Christmas tree they have

702
00:39:18,349 --> 00:39:16,440
holiday lights down here you know we do

703
00:39:20,150 --> 00:39:18,359
the whole thing and most people don't

704
00:39:23,990 --> 00:39:20,160
bother with the fake snow it's too much

705
00:39:25,670 --> 00:39:24,000
work it's too much cleanup we

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00:39:27,890 --> 00:39:25,680
um uh I I used to work for a company

707
00:39:30,230 --> 00:39:27,900
called the Lisa's and we had this

708
00:39:33,109 --> 00:39:30,240
fantastic Christmas party every year we

709
00:39:35,750 --> 00:39:33,119
bring in a huge circus tent like giant

710
00:39:38,810 --> 00:39:35,760
circus tent and put it up in the parking

711
00:39:42,650 --> 00:39:38,820
lot right and bring in you know big

712
00:39:45,170 --> 00:39:42,660
bands uh A-list bands and uh the best

713
00:39:47,170 --> 00:39:45,180
food and everything and one year I mean

714
00:39:49,670 --> 00:39:47,180
I couldn't believe it this is around

715
00:39:53,569 --> 00:39:49,680
this is in Culver City California

716
00:39:57,109 --> 00:39:53,579
everybody okay Culver City one year

717
00:39:59,349 --> 00:39:57,119
they fake snowed the parking lot

718
00:40:02,990 --> 00:39:59,359
they brought in stone machine it's like

719
00:40:04,609 --> 00:40:03,000
two three feet of snow and I couldn't

720
00:40:06,829 --> 00:40:04,619
believe it all the cars are out the

721
00:40:10,750 --> 00:40:06,839
circus tent goes up and they fake snowed

722
00:40:13,370 --> 00:40:10,760
it was it was in Culver City California

723
00:40:15,790 --> 00:40:13,380
I'm like how much do they spend on this

724
00:40:18,530 --> 00:40:15,800
wow this is nuts

725
00:40:21,710 --> 00:40:18,540
yeah they fixed noted

726
00:40:24,650 --> 00:40:21,720
it's too much work a parking lot man a

727
00:40:26,750 --> 00:40:24,660
parking lot or the parking lot

728
00:40:29,630 --> 00:40:26,760
um it was so you know it's absolutely

729
00:40:32,089 --> 00:40:29,640
pain isn't it it's kind of a little vein

730
00:40:35,450 --> 00:40:32,099
it would have been cheaper

731
00:40:38,089 --> 00:40:35,460
to fly everybody to Vale or something

732
00:40:40,490 --> 00:40:38,099
right we can add real snow we could have

733
00:40:43,609 --> 00:40:40,500
gone to Aspen you know flown up to Utah

734
00:40:45,710 --> 00:40:43,619
or something and uh save some money

735
00:40:47,150 --> 00:40:45,720
um you just got back uh the book was

736
00:40:51,589 --> 00:40:47,160
released

737
00:40:55,190 --> 00:40:51,599
um uh back on November 15th and today is

738
00:40:57,290 --> 00:40:55,200
November 22nd of course and uh you just

739
00:41:00,589 --> 00:40:57,300
got back from Dallas right and they hold

740
00:41:04,609 --> 00:41:00,599
that conference out there every year

741
00:41:08,349 --> 00:41:04,619
um is it is the conference of often what

742
00:41:12,650 --> 00:41:08,359
is it is it like DB Cooper style

743
00:41:14,870 --> 00:41:12,660
conspiracy theory or or or what's the

744
00:41:16,970 --> 00:41:14,880
atmosphere there yeah it's a little

745
00:41:19,010 --> 00:41:16,980
different but you know we we first met

746
00:41:21,050 --> 00:41:19,020
at a UFO conference you and I I mean we

747
00:41:22,970 --> 00:41:21,060
you know that was what we were working

748
00:41:24,890 --> 00:41:22,980
on the documentaries and I always felt

749
00:41:26,569 --> 00:41:24,900
like I've been all because I used to do

750
00:41:28,730 --> 00:41:26,579
the ghost conferences when I was riding

751
00:41:30,410 --> 00:41:28,740
the Gettysburg book so I've been to that

752
00:41:32,930 --> 00:41:30,420
then then I was doing the UFO

753
00:41:34,849 --> 00:41:32,940
conferences and the Kennedy this is my

754
00:41:36,710 --> 00:41:34,859
first time I mean because the book just

755
00:41:39,410 --> 00:41:36,720
came out and I really wasn't involved in

756
00:41:42,470 --> 00:41:39,420
that Community until just now

757
00:41:45,470 --> 00:41:42,480
um what struck me about it the most is

758
00:41:47,270 --> 00:41:45,480
uh to an extent this is the same in the

759
00:41:52,329 --> 00:41:47,280
UFO Community but I think even more with

760
00:41:54,250 --> 00:41:52,339
the JFK Community a lot of phds a lot of

761
00:41:57,170 --> 00:41:54,260
really really

762
00:41:59,690 --> 00:41:57,180
intelligent people very intellectual

763
00:42:02,030 --> 00:41:59,700
it's it's a it's it's it's an

764
00:42:03,770 --> 00:42:02,040
intellectual Pursuit and a lot of the

765
00:42:06,710 --> 00:42:03,780
researchers

766
00:42:08,270 --> 00:42:06,720
okay man I'll tell you what they dig I

767
00:42:11,210 --> 00:42:08,280
mean and I would say from you know

768
00:42:13,609 --> 00:42:11,220
listen I I in the book I talk about the

769
00:42:15,589 --> 00:42:13,619
not all not every conspiracy is created

770
00:42:16,609 --> 00:42:15,599
equal and the reason I did that is

771
00:42:18,530 --> 00:42:16,619
because

772
00:42:21,230 --> 00:42:18,540
there are differences and and I feel

773
00:42:23,210 --> 00:42:21,240
like if these days people say conspiracy

774
00:42:25,490 --> 00:42:23,220
theories a bad phrase it's a bad word

775
00:42:27,829 --> 00:42:25,500
right it's on a bad connotation right

776
00:42:30,230 --> 00:42:27,839
away but there's a difference between

777
00:42:32,030 --> 00:42:30,240
you know saying the Earth is flat and

778
00:42:33,530 --> 00:42:32,040
saying that there was a conspiracy in

779
00:42:36,349 --> 00:42:33,540
the Kennedy assassination these are

780
00:42:38,270 --> 00:42:36,359
different levels of you know so I think

781
00:42:40,490 --> 00:42:38,280
with the Kennedy assassination I think

782
00:42:42,849 --> 00:42:40,500
most of the public most of the general

783
00:42:45,890 --> 00:42:42,859
public believes there was a conspiracy

784
00:42:48,230 --> 00:42:45,900
uh even the house select committee on

785
00:42:51,050 --> 00:42:48,240
assassinations in the 70s concluded that

786
00:42:54,970 --> 00:42:51,060
there was a probable conspiracy so that

787
00:42:59,030 --> 00:42:57,349
I'm going to tell you why it's not a big

788
00:43:01,970 --> 00:42:59,040
leap

789
00:43:05,089 --> 00:43:01,980
um Oswald didn't act alone

790
00:43:08,630 --> 00:43:05,099
that's it that's that number two and

791
00:43:12,349 --> 00:43:08,640
this is it this closes the whole case

792
00:43:14,390 --> 00:43:12,359
if Oswald did it all by himself then

793
00:43:17,150 --> 00:43:14,400
release the files

794
00:43:19,670 --> 00:43:17,160
if you've got something to hide if

795
00:43:21,829 --> 00:43:19,680
there's something more than that then

796
00:43:25,370 --> 00:43:21,839
you're not telling us everything and

797
00:43:27,890 --> 00:43:25,380
that is a conspiracy that's it it's that

798
00:43:31,370 --> 00:43:27,900
simple now what level who the what the

799
00:43:33,530 --> 00:43:31,380
when you know I I don't know and there's

800
00:43:35,870 --> 00:43:33,540
a lot of great work that has been done

801
00:43:38,809 --> 00:43:35,880
on this subject but it boils down to

802
00:43:41,870 --> 00:43:38,819
those two things so yes was it a

803
00:43:44,750 --> 00:43:41,880
conspiracy and absolutely 100 Oswald act

804
00:43:48,890 --> 00:43:44,760
alone impossible have they told us the

805
00:43:52,490 --> 00:43:48,900
truth no have they withheld the facts as

806
00:43:55,430 --> 00:43:52,500
they know it yes and what's the latest

807
00:43:58,010 --> 00:43:55,440
number right is isn't it 75 more years

808
00:43:59,089 --> 00:43:58,020
you know some crazy remember that we we

809
00:44:01,490 --> 00:43:59,099
have to wait

810
00:44:03,170 --> 00:44:01,500
yeah they keep pushing it every

811
00:44:05,270 --> 00:44:03,180
president's supposed to release it and

812
00:44:06,950 --> 00:44:05,280
they say no it's a joke at this point

813
00:44:10,430 --> 00:44:06,960
you know it's it's an insult to

814
00:44:12,230 --> 00:44:10,440
everyone's intelligence at this point

815
00:44:14,089 --> 00:44:12,240
um yeah it's it's uh you know it's like

816
00:44:16,250 --> 00:44:14,099
Costner said in the movie JFK it'll

817
00:44:17,870 --> 00:44:16,260
become a generational affair right it's

818
00:44:19,490 --> 00:44:17,880
just from one generation oh we're gonna

819
00:44:22,250 --> 00:44:19,500
hold we're gonna hold we're not

820
00:44:24,770 --> 00:44:22,260
releasing it and when they do release it

821
00:44:26,809 --> 00:44:24,780
three quarters of it is redacted so like

822
00:44:28,069 --> 00:44:26,819
it's like the UFO documents it's the

823
00:44:30,950 --> 00:44:28,079
same thing what are they going to

824
00:44:32,630 --> 00:44:30,960
release right right right same thing at

825
00:44:34,849 --> 00:44:32,640
the conference

826
00:44:37,190 --> 00:44:34,859
um uh I I want to get inside of your

827
00:44:39,010 --> 00:44:37,200
head a little bit take me through that

828
00:44:42,050 --> 00:44:39,020
is there anybody at the conference

829
00:44:44,690 --> 00:44:42,060
walking around saying Oswald did it he

830
00:44:47,990 --> 00:44:44,700
acted alone is there anybody that walks

831
00:44:51,829 --> 00:44:48,000
around with that uh uh you know that

832
00:44:53,930 --> 00:44:51,839
that that statement or is it everybody

833
00:44:55,309 --> 00:44:53,940
just doing research and presenting their

834
00:44:57,290 --> 00:44:55,319
side of the case

835
00:44:59,210 --> 00:44:57,300
yeah that's a great question and I think

836
00:45:01,010 --> 00:44:59,220
I think some of the people who go to the

837
00:45:02,630 --> 00:45:01,020
conferences who this might be their

838
00:45:05,089 --> 00:45:02,640
first time or they're just getting into

839
00:45:06,530 --> 00:45:05,099
it might have a preconceived notion

840
00:45:08,210 --> 00:45:06,540
about that they might be like well I

841
00:45:09,410 --> 00:45:08,220
always thought Oswald acted alone

842
00:45:11,450 --> 00:45:09,420
because

843
00:45:13,670 --> 00:45:11,460
they'll remember some Dan Rather special

844
00:45:15,650 --> 00:45:13,680
or Peter Jennings special where they

845
00:45:17,210 --> 00:45:15,660
said they concluded that he could do the

846
00:45:18,829 --> 00:45:17,220
shooting and that's the only thing they

847
00:45:20,450 --> 00:45:18,839
remember you know and they don't have

848
00:45:22,069 --> 00:45:20,460
the time they haven't had the time in

849
00:45:24,170 --> 00:45:22,079
their lives to really dig which I

850
00:45:26,150 --> 00:45:24,180
totally understand not everyone can do a

851
00:45:28,670 --> 00:45:26,160
ton of research but everyone who's

852
00:45:30,530 --> 00:45:28,680
presenting anyone who's done even a

853
00:45:32,329 --> 00:45:30,540
nominal amount of research minimal

854
00:45:34,970 --> 00:45:32,339
amount of research is going to come to

855
00:45:39,109 --> 00:45:34,980
the conclusion not only that Oswald

856
00:45:41,630 --> 00:45:39,119
didn't act alone but Oswald didn't act

857
00:45:43,930 --> 00:45:41,640
and that's what when it gets really

858
00:45:46,550 --> 00:45:43,940
really really interesting

859
00:45:49,190 --> 00:45:46,560
that's a that's a that's a broad stroke

860
00:45:50,390 --> 00:45:49,200
of the pen what do you mean by that uh

861
00:45:52,910 --> 00:45:50,400
Oswald

862
00:45:54,109 --> 00:45:52,920
what I've discovered in in interviewing

863
00:45:55,790 --> 00:45:54,119
the people I've interviewed and doing

864
00:45:58,010 --> 00:45:55,800
the you know research that I had to do

865
00:45:59,510 --> 00:45:58,020
to prepare for the book

866
00:46:04,970 --> 00:45:59,520
um

867
00:46:10,010 --> 00:46:07,670
perhaps low level but still an

868
00:46:13,010 --> 00:46:10,020
intelligence operative meaning the CIA

869
00:46:14,930 --> 00:46:13,020
used him uh he was Naval intelligence

870
00:46:17,510 --> 00:46:14,940
for a while uh when he was in the

871
00:46:19,430 --> 00:46:17,520
Marines he was at some point he was uh

872
00:46:22,190 --> 00:46:19,440
stationed in Japan and they were working

873
00:46:25,010 --> 00:46:22,200
on the very highly classified uh the U2

874
00:46:28,010 --> 00:46:25,020
spy planes uh it was all associated with

875
00:46:30,370 --> 00:46:28,020
that Oswald was always on that path in

876
00:46:33,770 --> 00:46:30,380
the military to be an intelligence asset

877
00:46:35,630 --> 00:46:33,780
and that's what's one of the things that

878
00:46:37,370 --> 00:46:35,640
has come out in some of the documents

879
00:46:40,010 --> 00:46:37,380
that have recently been released over

880
00:46:41,690 --> 00:46:40,020
time more and more people have realized

881
00:46:43,190 --> 00:46:41,700
through these documents and through the

882
00:46:45,109 --> 00:46:43,200
research they've done that there's no

883
00:46:47,390 --> 00:46:45,119
question it was obvious that Oswald was

884
00:46:50,809 --> 00:46:47,400
an intelligence asset and when he was in

885
00:46:53,750 --> 00:46:50,819
New Orleans the summer before the

886
00:46:55,430 --> 00:46:53,760
assassination so the summer of 1963 he

887
00:46:57,650 --> 00:46:55,440
was in New Orleans what was he doing in

888
00:46:59,510 --> 00:46:57,660
New Orleans well he was sent there by

889
00:47:01,670 --> 00:46:59,520
his handlers and he had a Handler there

890
00:47:03,250 --> 00:47:01,680
and he was doing whatever they told him

891
00:47:06,290 --> 00:47:03,260
to do they told him to hand out

892
00:47:09,109 --> 00:47:06,300
pamphlets right right uh you know for

893
00:47:11,390 --> 00:47:09,119
pro Castro or whether they told him to

894
00:47:12,950 --> 00:47:11,400
uh you know infiltrate wherever he was

895
00:47:14,750 --> 00:47:12,960
going to infiltrate it was all set up he

896
00:47:17,450 --> 00:47:14,760
was being sheep dipped and he didn't

897
00:47:19,609 --> 00:47:17,460
really know it at the time but he was a

898
00:47:22,069 --> 00:47:19,619
patriot he was uh he was doing he was

899
00:47:23,510 --> 00:47:22,079
following orders and

900
00:47:27,410 --> 00:47:23,520
um and that's why you know the whole

901
00:47:29,450 --> 00:47:27,420
idea of the the really the the horrible

902
00:47:31,309 --> 00:47:29,460
rifle that he apparently bought for

903
00:47:32,089 --> 00:47:31,319
thirty seven dollars or however much it

904
00:47:36,290 --> 00:47:32,099
was

905
00:47:37,910 --> 00:47:36,300
that good of a shooter he he wouldn't

906
00:47:39,530 --> 00:47:37,920
have been able one of the things you do

907
00:47:41,329 --> 00:47:39,540
realize when you're in Dealey Plaza and

908
00:47:43,190 --> 00:47:41,339
you'll know this and you realize how

909
00:47:44,930 --> 00:47:43,200
small it is but you also realize how

910
00:47:46,730 --> 00:47:44,940
ridiculous it would have been for if it

911
00:47:49,790 --> 00:47:46,740
was just him shooting

912
00:47:52,190 --> 00:47:49,800
taking the shots that he did from that

913
00:47:54,230 --> 00:47:52,200
angle because there was also a tree that

914
00:47:56,150 --> 00:47:54,240
was in the way and that tree's been

915
00:47:59,030 --> 00:47:56,160
there and in that time the time of year

916
00:48:02,150 --> 00:47:59,040
it blooms in November the leaves don't

917
00:48:04,130 --> 00:48:02,160
come off until the spring

918
00:48:05,690 --> 00:48:04,140
so they try to make it sound like well

919
00:48:07,010 --> 00:48:05,700
it was November their leaves were off

920
00:48:08,450 --> 00:48:07,020
you could see well that's not true it

921
00:48:11,030 --> 00:48:08,460
was the kind of tree it was that grows

922
00:48:13,910 --> 00:48:11,040
in Texas but long story short there is

923
00:48:15,710 --> 00:48:13,920
that Oswald really no one could do that

924
00:48:17,150 --> 00:48:15,720
shooting and he would have had a much

925
00:48:19,370 --> 00:48:17,160
easier he should have taken a direct

926
00:48:22,849 --> 00:48:19,380
shot when when Kennedy was coming

927
00:48:24,950 --> 00:48:22,859
towards him right yeah Houston yeah he

928
00:48:26,930 --> 00:48:24,960
didn't why did he wait because it wasn't

929
00:48:29,390 --> 00:48:26,940
him it was someone else as part of a

930
00:48:31,970 --> 00:48:29,400
team and an assassination group team of

931
00:48:34,190 --> 00:48:31,980
snipers and it was a triangulation and

932
00:48:36,050 --> 00:48:34,200
when you're in Dealey Plaza

933
00:48:38,750 --> 00:48:36,060
someone told me this a long time ago

934
00:48:40,670 --> 00:48:38,760
they say you can't really understand the

935
00:48:44,349 --> 00:48:40,680
Kennedy assassination until you've been

936
00:48:47,510 --> 00:48:44,359
to Dealey Plaza 100 100 100

937
00:48:49,309 --> 00:48:47,520
well if when you stand

938
00:48:50,930 --> 00:48:49,319
um you were just there you were just in

939
00:48:53,870 --> 00:48:50,940
Daily Plaza

940
00:48:56,230 --> 00:48:53,880
um I stood on the curb with my toes in

941
00:48:59,630 --> 00:48:56,240
the grass and my heels on the curb

942
00:49:02,390 --> 00:48:59,640
facing the school repository right and

943
00:49:04,490 --> 00:49:02,400
you you turn to the left and there is

944
00:49:06,349 --> 00:49:04,500
the white picket fence it's it was still

945
00:49:09,170 --> 00:49:06,359
I'm assuming it's still there it was

946
00:49:11,630 --> 00:49:09,180
there when when I was there and and you

947
00:49:14,150 --> 00:49:11,640
know the the grassy knoll it's a it's a

948
00:49:16,730 --> 00:49:14,160
grassy dent it's not even an adult just

949
00:49:18,950 --> 00:49:16,740
like fruit and it's right there the

950
00:49:20,690 --> 00:49:18,960
overpass is over here to your left the

951
00:49:23,630 --> 00:49:20,700
buildings here you're standing on you

952
00:49:28,190 --> 00:49:23,640
and you realize right then how confined

953
00:49:31,190 --> 00:49:28,200
and Tiny of a space that is I mean it's

954
00:49:34,550 --> 00:49:31,200
it's uh it's I don't want to say this in

955
00:49:36,349 --> 00:49:34,560
such a disrespectful way but it's it's

956
00:49:38,630 --> 00:49:36,359
kind of like target practice I mean if

957
00:49:40,370 --> 00:49:38,640
you're going to set somebody up it's

958
00:49:43,250 --> 00:49:40,380
going to be right there because you've

959
00:49:45,829 --> 00:49:43,260
got multiple angles and sides to do

960
00:49:47,450 --> 00:49:45,839
something right yeah correct and and

961
00:49:48,530 --> 00:49:47,460
when you go behind so you go to the

962
00:49:51,430 --> 00:49:48,540
sixth floor

963
00:49:54,230 --> 00:49:51,440
you can't go to the window that that's

964
00:49:56,930 --> 00:49:54,240
Oswald supposedly at they have that

965
00:49:59,030 --> 00:49:56,940
that's it's a pexy glass but you can go

966
00:50:01,190 --> 00:49:59,040
to the window right next to it yeah it

967
00:50:03,290 --> 00:50:01,200
was there was like a diorama there there

968
00:50:04,970 --> 00:50:03,300
was something there

969
00:50:06,589 --> 00:50:04,980
um when I was there but yeah you're

970
00:50:08,690 --> 00:50:06,599
right you can't walk up to that window

971
00:50:10,490 --> 00:50:08,700
but you could see and you can see the

972
00:50:12,470 --> 00:50:10,500
whole thing and then you can go to the

973
00:50:15,349 --> 00:50:12,480
window next to it and then try to get a

974
00:50:18,950 --> 00:50:15,359
feel for the shot and you see the easy

975
00:50:21,170 --> 00:50:18,960
shot on Houston and then you see this

976
00:50:23,690 --> 00:50:21,180
very difficult shot once the once the

977
00:50:26,270 --> 00:50:23,700
limousine makes a hard left turn onto

978
00:50:27,470 --> 00:50:26,280
Elm and and it's a decline it's also on

979
00:50:30,470 --> 00:50:27,480
a decline

980
00:50:32,329 --> 00:50:30,480
uh so you have it so Oswald it's a it's

981
00:50:35,210 --> 00:50:32,339
a difficult shot I would imagine I mean

982
00:50:36,770 --> 00:50:35,220
I everyone I've ever spoken to who knows

983
00:50:38,990 --> 00:50:36,780
anything about shooting is it's a

984
00:50:40,910 --> 00:50:39,000
difficult shot well but here's a thing

985
00:50:42,829 --> 00:50:40,920
check this out Ken priest just posted

986
00:50:45,190 --> 00:50:42,839
this before this Cuts away he always

987
00:50:48,170 --> 00:50:45,200
felt that the shot came from the sewer

988
00:50:52,790 --> 00:50:48,180
and uh now

989
00:50:54,950 --> 00:50:52,800
um when when I first heard that theory

990
00:50:57,349 --> 00:50:54,960
um of the you know the sewer opening

991
00:51:00,049 --> 00:50:57,359
that's there on the curb that was always

992
00:51:03,890 --> 00:51:00,059
pretty interesting uh to me too as well

993
00:51:07,250 --> 00:51:03,900
but it I it it could have been part of

994
00:51:09,410 --> 00:51:07,260
all of this but that's that sewer uh

995
00:51:11,089 --> 00:51:09,420
aspect uh to me was always an

996
00:51:13,490 --> 00:51:11,099
interesting one

997
00:51:15,410 --> 00:51:13,500
um nobody would have seen anything

998
00:51:17,750 --> 00:51:15,420
right but they and then they took that

999
00:51:19,010 --> 00:51:17,760
out so now you can't really see where it

1000
00:51:20,270 --> 00:51:19,020
would have been it used to be there and

1001
00:51:22,250 --> 00:51:20,280
I know researchers who have actually

1002
00:51:24,410 --> 00:51:22,260
jumped out into there because they like

1003
00:51:26,690 --> 00:51:24,420
I say they go all out on this stuff and

1004
00:51:29,150 --> 00:51:26,700
uh yeah it would have it would have been

1005
00:51:31,430 --> 00:51:29,160
an interesting scenario but when you go

1006
00:51:33,950 --> 00:51:31,440
behind the picket fence

1007
00:51:35,930 --> 00:51:33,960
and I was I would that was something I

1008
00:51:37,849 --> 00:51:35,940
was really looking forward to so they

1009
00:51:39,170 --> 00:51:37,859
haven't they all have in the road that

1010
00:51:41,329 --> 00:51:39,180
you know as you know they have an x

1011
00:51:43,730 --> 00:51:41,339
marks the spot where the Fatal headshot

1012
00:51:45,829 --> 00:51:43,740
on the road happened where Kennedy was

1013
00:51:47,690 --> 00:51:45,839
at that exact spot

1014
00:51:49,309 --> 00:51:47,700
when you go to the grassy knoll and you

1015
00:51:50,390 --> 00:51:49,319
go behind the picket fence and I stood

1016
00:51:54,589 --> 00:51:50,400
there

1017
00:51:57,109 --> 00:51:54,599
pretending I'm a sniper

1018
00:51:59,750 --> 00:51:57,119
I could not believe

1019
00:52:01,370 --> 00:51:59,760
how close it was and wouldn't eat what

1020
00:52:04,010 --> 00:52:01,380
an easy shot it would have been it's

1021
00:52:06,589 --> 00:52:04,020
right there and when um when I went to

1022
00:52:09,230 --> 00:52:06,599
the picket fence there was like a dozen

1023
00:52:11,870 --> 00:52:09,240
people back there doing the same thing

1024
00:52:14,930 --> 00:52:11,880
right you can't help it yeah everybody

1025
00:52:17,290 --> 00:52:14,940
was taking a look and looking down the

1026
00:52:20,089 --> 00:52:17,300
hill going up yeah oh

1027
00:52:21,950 --> 00:52:20,099
yeah yeah yeah I mean you know it's just

1028
00:52:23,750 --> 00:52:21,960
common sense but then so many people

1029
00:52:25,730 --> 00:52:23,760
heard shots from there and they saw the

1030
00:52:28,670 --> 00:52:25,740
puff of smoke and they saw the Lee

1031
00:52:31,190 --> 00:52:28,680
Bowers who was the radio guy in the in

1032
00:52:32,329 --> 00:52:31,200
the for the uh uh which McCall the train

1033
00:52:34,910 --> 00:52:32,339
station

1034
00:52:37,130 --> 00:52:34,920
he was in the tower and he saw these we

1035
00:52:39,470 --> 00:52:37,140
you know weird things going on in that

1036
00:52:41,930 --> 00:52:39,480
parking lot now it's it's uh concrete

1037
00:52:43,670 --> 00:52:41,940
but it used to be gravel so back then it

1038
00:52:45,770 --> 00:52:43,680
was gravel and you saw these cars come

1039
00:52:47,690 --> 00:52:45,780
up with guys and it was one guy had a

1040
00:52:49,190 --> 00:52:47,700
walkie-talkie and then there was a guy

1041
00:52:51,470 --> 00:52:49,200
in a police uniform and then there was

1042
00:52:53,089 --> 00:52:51,480
another guy with a hard hat on and this

1043
00:52:55,130 --> 00:52:53,099
was like a spotter so you had the

1044
00:52:57,109 --> 00:52:55,140
spotter the sniper the actual shooter

1045
00:52:59,329 --> 00:52:57,119
and then you had you know other people

1046
00:53:00,530 --> 00:52:59,339
who saw transfer the one guy who took

1047
00:53:02,089 --> 00:53:00,540
the weapon

1048
00:53:03,410 --> 00:53:02,099
flipped it to someone who was walking

1049
00:53:05,390 --> 00:53:03,420
the other way the other guy who was

1050
00:53:07,309 --> 00:53:05,400
walking the other way took the took it

1051
00:53:10,069 --> 00:53:07,319
apart right away I mean this was at the

1052
00:53:12,829 --> 00:53:10,079
highest level of professional hit

1053
00:53:14,390 --> 00:53:12,839
at the highest levels of military and

1054
00:53:16,910 --> 00:53:14,400
they knew exactly what they were doing

1055
00:53:19,130 --> 00:53:16,920
and there was so much commotion and if

1056
00:53:20,990 --> 00:53:19,140
so you know people also people don't

1057
00:53:22,130 --> 00:53:21,000
realize and this is psychological when

1058
00:53:23,450 --> 00:53:22,140
you're watching the President you're

1059
00:53:25,549 --> 00:53:23,460
watching the President you're there to

1060
00:53:27,290 --> 00:53:25,559
see the president so you're like waving

1061
00:53:29,690 --> 00:53:27,300
oh there's probably and there's Jackie

1062
00:53:32,210 --> 00:53:29,700
people want to get a glimpse of Jackie

1063
00:53:33,950 --> 00:53:32,220
they don't necessarily see maybe who's

1064
00:53:35,930 --> 00:53:33,960
hiding behind the picket fence depending

1065
00:53:37,970 --> 00:53:35,940
where your your angle is and where

1066
00:53:39,410 --> 00:53:37,980
you're stay where you're standing you

1067
00:53:41,210 --> 00:53:39,420
may or may not see whatever you think

1068
00:53:43,670 --> 00:53:41,220
you see but most people don't don't

1069
00:53:45,710 --> 00:53:43,680
realize it and the people that did see

1070
00:53:48,170 --> 00:53:45,720
well they had people there that were

1071
00:53:50,210 --> 00:53:48,180
going to take care of that uh oh I saw

1072
00:53:51,710 --> 00:53:50,220
this no you didn't no I really did I saw

1073
00:53:53,329 --> 00:53:51,720
that no no you absolutely didn't and

1074
00:53:55,190 --> 00:53:53,339
you'll never talk about it again right

1075
00:53:57,650 --> 00:53:55,200
right literally scared the crap out of

1076
00:53:59,690 --> 00:53:57,660
you I mean this is what happened so they

1077
00:54:02,270 --> 00:53:59,700
had everything covered but here's the

1078
00:54:05,210 --> 00:54:02,280
thing that really got me

1079
00:54:08,210 --> 00:54:05,220
the minute Kennedy came down Main Street

1080
00:54:11,569 --> 00:54:08,220
made a right on Houston

1081
00:54:15,650 --> 00:54:11,579
and he was dead

1082
00:54:19,130 --> 00:54:15,660
and they had it it was a turkey shoot

1083
00:54:21,650 --> 00:54:19,140
and there was there was no nothing left

1084
00:54:22,790 --> 00:54:21,660
to chance he was not coming out of that

1085
00:54:26,569 --> 00:54:22,800
alive

1086
00:54:28,190 --> 00:54:26,579
when when I watch I I'm I'm going to

1087
00:54:29,690 --> 00:54:28,200
interrupt you so many times tonight I

1088
00:54:32,510 --> 00:54:29,700
can already it's all good let me

1089
00:54:34,250 --> 00:54:32,520
apologize in advance uh that's okay for

1090
00:54:35,329 --> 00:54:34,260
being rude

1091
00:54:43,430 --> 00:54:35,339
um

1092
00:54:47,329 --> 00:54:43,440
times I've watched uh the zipruder film

1093
00:54:50,569 --> 00:54:47,339
and I had gotten my hands on uh a

1094
00:54:53,390 --> 00:54:50,579
stabilized uh you know improved version

1095
00:54:55,670 --> 00:54:53,400
of it and had it on my heart had I

1096
00:54:58,069 --> 00:54:55,680
watched it over and over and over again

1097
00:55:00,470 --> 00:54:58,079
it's one thing to see it on TV it goes

1098
00:55:03,170 --> 00:55:00,480
past or this is it but but you know and

1099
00:55:05,930 --> 00:55:03,180
I just watched it and watch I wanted to

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00:55:09,349 --> 00:55:05,940
understand what I was looking at now

1101
00:55:11,809 --> 00:55:09,359
it's it's graphic and when you watch it

1102
00:55:15,530 --> 00:55:11,819
a hundred or two hundred times uh back

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00:55:17,770 --> 00:55:15,540
to back at frame to frame it's it gets

1104
00:55:21,890 --> 00:55:17,780
to you but

1105
00:55:23,630 --> 00:55:21,900
when you what I'm telling this there's a

1106
00:55:26,030 --> 00:55:23,640
shot from the back and the shot there's

1107
00:55:28,430 --> 00:55:26,040
a shot from the front and I think that

1108
00:55:30,589 --> 00:55:28,440
you can clearly see that in the in the

1109
00:55:33,349 --> 00:55:30,599
Zapruder film

1110
00:55:37,490 --> 00:55:33,359
um uh there there may have been more but

1111
00:55:39,530 --> 00:55:37,500
there are two different uh uh reactions

1112
00:55:43,730 --> 00:55:39,540
from the physics and the force and the

1113
00:55:46,910 --> 00:55:43,740
velocity and and and what happens when

1114
00:55:50,990 --> 00:55:46,920
his head gets shot apart and that's

1115
00:55:53,630 --> 00:55:51,000
that's what I see that's that's me and I

1116
00:55:57,109 --> 00:55:53,640
don't get

1117
00:55:58,670 --> 00:55:57,119
um the the argument that it was Oswald

1118
00:56:01,370 --> 00:55:58,680
shooting him from the back of the head

1119
00:56:03,290 --> 00:56:01,380
when you look at the supportive film and

1120
00:56:06,230 --> 00:56:03,300
you clearly see something different with

1121
00:56:08,089 --> 00:56:06,240
my eyes what do you see Jack

1122
00:56:10,549 --> 00:56:08,099
oh I see the same thing you do and

1123
00:56:11,990 --> 00:56:10,559
pretty much everyone else does and you

1124
00:56:13,430 --> 00:56:12,000
know we don't know how much they may

1125
00:56:15,410 --> 00:56:13,440
have tampered with that film over the

1126
00:56:17,089 --> 00:56:15,420
years no one knows and those are the

1127
00:56:20,630 --> 00:56:17,099
tough things and so so many years have

1128
00:56:22,790 --> 00:56:20,640
gone by but yeah his his head jerks

1129
00:56:24,650 --> 00:56:22,800
back into the left back and to the left

1130
00:56:26,450 --> 00:56:24,660
right and you see it over and over and

1131
00:56:28,430 --> 00:56:26,460
you see first he's holding his throat

1132
00:56:30,349 --> 00:56:28,440
and that's the shot that came from the

1133
00:56:31,790 --> 00:56:30,359
front yep and all the doctors at

1134
00:56:33,829 --> 00:56:31,800
Parkland Hospital so that was an

1135
00:56:35,690 --> 00:56:33,839
entrance wound here and went out the

1136
00:56:37,430 --> 00:56:35,700
back or I don't even know if it went out

1137
00:56:39,230 --> 00:56:37,440
I'm not sure about where what happened

1138
00:56:41,450 --> 00:56:39,240
with that bullet and then there was

1139
00:56:42,950 --> 00:56:41,460
another he got shot from the back he did

1140
00:56:45,589 --> 00:56:42,960
get shot from the back

1141
00:56:48,410 --> 00:56:45,599
uh lower in the back

1142
00:56:49,970 --> 00:56:48,420
and then he also got and then the the I

1143
00:56:53,329 --> 00:56:49,980
say the kill shot was the head shot

1144
00:56:55,010 --> 00:56:53,339
right from most likely the grassy knoll

1145
00:56:56,809 --> 00:56:55,020
now whether there was someone under a

1146
00:56:58,970 --> 00:56:56,819
manhole cover and then they would that

1147
00:57:00,470 --> 00:56:58,980
would have been an easy shot too if they

1148
00:57:02,990 --> 00:57:00,480
were able to get comfortable under there

1149
00:57:04,670 --> 00:57:03,000
right and get a good position so but it

1150
00:57:08,150 --> 00:57:04,680
was from that direction

1151
00:57:10,069 --> 00:57:08,160
so it when you see that and but they try

1152
00:57:11,809 --> 00:57:10,079
to say and then listen we all know the

1153
00:57:15,490 --> 00:57:11,819
single bullet theory is the biggest

1154
00:57:20,630 --> 00:57:18,890
that's insulting well it is it's

1155
00:57:24,530 --> 00:57:20,640
insulting for for a lot of different

1156
00:57:29,210 --> 00:57:24,540
reasons too it's not just one aspect uh

1157
00:57:32,390 --> 00:57:29,220
to that no uh first off second uh to

1158
00:57:36,049 --> 00:57:32,400
pass through Kennedy and do all that

1159
00:57:38,690 --> 00:57:36,059
damage to Connolly if if I find that

1160
00:57:41,089 --> 00:57:38,700
suspect uh number it's like one after

1161
00:57:42,109 --> 00:57:41,099
another but then the bullet just gets

1162
00:57:47,150 --> 00:57:42,119
found

1163
00:57:50,089 --> 00:57:47,160
in the hospital by an FBI agent later

1164
00:57:53,109 --> 00:57:50,099
it's like whoa wait a minute and it

1165
00:57:56,150 --> 00:57:53,119
wasn't damaged pristine condition

1166
00:57:58,549 --> 00:57:56,160
pristine you know you're bouncing off of

1167
00:58:00,829 --> 00:57:58,559
Bones and flesh and this and that you

1168
00:58:03,170 --> 00:58:00,839
you are going to be a mangled piece of

1169
00:58:06,170 --> 00:58:03,180
lead that's just the nature of it we've

1170
00:58:09,230 --> 00:58:06,180
all seen spent bullets you shoot a Coke

1171
00:58:11,210 --> 00:58:09,240
can and you know the bullets are damaged

1172
00:58:14,750 --> 00:58:11,220
it's it's really that so shoot a

1173
00:58:19,190 --> 00:58:14,760
watermelon right right uh so yeah

1174
00:58:21,170 --> 00:58:19,200
there's there are many reasons uh to sit

1175
00:58:23,750 --> 00:58:21,180
here and argue about that

1176
00:58:27,109 --> 00:58:23,760
um especially how it was found that was

1177
00:58:29,809 --> 00:58:27,119
the other oh look oh by the way yeah

1178
00:58:32,270 --> 00:58:29,819
yeah but I just glanced down and there

1179
00:58:35,030 --> 00:58:32,280
there it is right

1180
00:58:37,490 --> 00:58:35,040
well I tell people

1181
00:58:38,390 --> 00:58:37,500
I talk a lot about critical thinking in

1182
00:58:40,010 --> 00:58:38,400
this book

1183
00:58:42,170 --> 00:58:40,020
and I kind of wrote it for young people

1184
00:58:43,789 --> 00:58:42,180
I wanted to make it easy to read and

1185
00:58:46,130 --> 00:58:43,799
I'll tell you more about what I wanted

1186
00:58:48,049 --> 00:58:46,140
to do but like so but it's an easy to

1187
00:58:49,609 --> 00:58:48,059
read book it's it's it's set up in

1188
00:58:53,150 --> 00:58:49,619
chapters each chapter is kind of an

1189
00:58:56,390 --> 00:58:53,160
interview with someone but

1190
00:58:58,730 --> 00:58:56,400
it I tell people I'm like listen I don't

1191
00:59:01,250 --> 00:58:58,740
know if I was 10 years old or eight

1192
00:59:02,450 --> 00:59:01,260
years old or whatever I was born 65 so I

1193
00:59:03,829 --> 00:59:02,460
was born two years after the

1194
00:59:05,690 --> 00:59:03,839
assassination

1195
00:59:07,010 --> 00:59:05,700
and I would talk to my parents about it

1196
00:59:11,390 --> 00:59:07,020
but

1197
00:59:12,950 --> 00:59:11,400
the minute Ruby shot Oswalt

1198
00:59:14,450 --> 00:59:12,960
something's rotten in the state of

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00:59:17,870 --> 00:59:14,460
Denmark

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00:59:21,109 --> 00:59:17,880
yeah well and and how they found them

1201
00:59:24,309 --> 00:59:21,119
too as well uh in the movie theater

1202
00:59:27,770 --> 00:59:24,319
um right right that that was straight

1203
00:59:29,809 --> 00:59:27,780
but uh okay I need to take a break

1204
00:59:33,530 --> 00:59:29,819
um we're gonna swing back

1205
00:59:37,670 --> 00:59:33,540
um I I haven't done an actual uh JFK

1206
00:59:39,170 --> 00:59:37,680
show in a very very long time and uh so

1207
00:59:41,410 --> 00:59:39,180
let's just pick up what we're leaving

1208
00:59:43,329 --> 00:59:41,420
off Jack Ruby

1209
00:59:46,789 --> 00:59:43,339
that that

1210
00:59:48,770 --> 00:59:46,799
oh man okay anyway this is made in Black

1211
00:59:50,630 --> 00:59:48,780
I'm your City Church I guess tonight the

1212
00:59:53,089 --> 00:59:50,640
one and only our good friend Jack Roth

1213
00:59:56,750 --> 00:59:53,099
is with us the new book Killing Kennedy

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00:59:58,490 --> 00:59:56,760
is out now you can go on the links below

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and throughout social media we've got

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01:00:03,230 --> 01:00:00,660
them posted up I'm Meryl Simi church

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this is Fade to Black stay with us we'll

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thank you

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01:04:58,730 --> 01:04:56,160
Welcome Back Fade to Black I'm your

1311
01:05:01,370 --> 01:04:58,740
stupid church tonight

1312
01:05:03,410 --> 01:05:01,380
Jack Roth is with us we are talking

1313
01:05:05,630 --> 01:05:03,420
about his new book it was just published

1314
01:05:07,970 --> 01:05:05,640
it's out now you can get it's called

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01:05:09,829 --> 01:05:07,980
Killing Kennedy the Link's further below

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you head over to Amazon just search Jack

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01:05:15,470 --> 01:05:12,780
Ross and all those books up he's that's

1318
01:05:18,609 --> 01:05:15,480
why I'm wearing uh glasses tonight so I

1319
01:05:21,829 --> 01:05:18,619
can be as smart as uh Jack Roth

1320
01:05:24,710 --> 01:05:21,839
Patrick's Jack is half of the sale right

1321
01:05:25,970 --> 01:05:24,720
and this I'm wearing my Jack Roth

1322
01:05:30,410 --> 01:05:25,980
glasses

1323
01:05:31,390 --> 01:05:30,420
um yeah okay now getting into this

1324
01:05:35,510 --> 01:05:31,400
um

1325
01:05:37,549 --> 01:05:35,520
the UFO connection to JFK

1326
01:05:38,809 --> 01:05:37,559
right now

1327
01:05:41,930 --> 01:05:38,819
um

1328
01:05:45,410 --> 01:05:41,940
it's not what you think

1329
01:05:48,730 --> 01:05:45,420
it's Fred Chrisman

1330
01:05:51,890 --> 01:05:48,740
okay now Fred Chrisman

1331
01:05:56,210 --> 01:05:51,900
who there's a character Fred Crispin in

1332
01:05:57,650 --> 01:05:56,220
Oliver Stone's film JFK Fred Chrisman

1333
01:06:00,710 --> 01:05:57,660
okay

1334
01:06:05,930 --> 01:06:00,720
Fred Chrisman

1335
01:06:09,049 --> 01:06:05,940
was also part of the first UFO sighting

1336
01:06:12,049 --> 01:06:09,059
in history Maury Island

1337
01:06:16,309 --> 01:06:12,059
that's right before Kenneth Arnold

1338
01:06:18,309 --> 01:06:16,319
before Roswell there was Maury Island up

1339
01:06:22,130 --> 01:06:18,319
in Tacoma Washington

1340
01:06:24,770 --> 01:06:22,140
and one of the guys that was there

1341
01:06:26,450 --> 01:06:24,780
special agent

1342
01:06:32,770 --> 01:06:26,460
Fred Chrisman

1343
01:06:35,529 --> 01:06:32,780
island case to the public

1344
01:06:39,170 --> 01:06:35,539
and his life

1345
01:06:42,049 --> 01:06:39,180
crisscrossed across the United States

1346
01:06:44,569 --> 01:06:42,059
tangled up with J Edgar Hoover

1347
01:06:47,630 --> 01:06:44,579
and was involved in the JFK

1348
01:06:51,170 --> 01:06:47,640
assassination now and and and what is

1349
01:06:53,329 --> 01:06:51,180
crazy about that is what

1350
01:07:01,130 --> 01:06:53,339
are the odds

1351
01:07:04,670 --> 01:07:01,140
connection between the FBI Mori Island

1352
01:07:06,589 --> 01:07:04,680
and JFK well the answer is Fred Chrisman

1353
01:07:09,950 --> 01:07:06,599
and if you're going to have colorful

1354
01:07:13,849 --> 01:07:09,960
characters of uh dubious backgrounds

1355
01:07:16,190 --> 01:07:13,859
right how is it that Fred Chrisman is

1356
01:07:21,170 --> 01:07:16,200
involved with both of these cases

1357
01:07:26,930 --> 01:07:24,289
yeah he was typical of really these this

1358
01:07:29,750 --> 01:07:26,940
intelligence agent kind of character

1359
01:07:31,430 --> 01:07:29,760
right where there's you think he might

1360
01:07:33,170 --> 01:07:31,440
know something about him he really knows

1361
01:07:35,150 --> 01:07:33,180
so little about these guys and they show

1362
01:07:38,690 --> 01:07:35,160
up here they show up there they show up

1363
01:07:40,730 --> 01:07:38,700
everywhere and uh and and yeah and and

1364
01:07:43,250 --> 01:07:40,740
all these odd places and these odd times

1365
01:07:45,770 --> 01:07:43,260
and you know I think these guys are just

1366
01:07:47,270 --> 01:07:45,780
doing their jobs like really like Oswald

1367
01:07:50,390 --> 01:07:47,280
was they were just being they were

1368
01:07:51,849 --> 01:07:50,400
following orders and whether it's for uh

1369
01:07:54,289 --> 01:07:51,859
infiltration

1370
01:07:56,690 --> 01:07:54,299
misinformation I think a lot of it's

1371
01:07:58,670 --> 01:07:56,700
misinformation but

1372
01:08:02,569 --> 01:07:58,680
um in the book

1373
01:08:04,970 --> 01:08:02,579
I don't go into Kennedy and the UFO

1374
01:08:07,730 --> 01:08:04,980
connection from the standpoint of what

1375
01:08:11,210 --> 01:08:07,740
Kennedy knew or wanted to know but what

1376
01:08:13,849 --> 01:08:11,220
but what I can't what I conclude when

1377
01:08:16,789 --> 01:08:13,859
people ask me that I say the same people

1378
01:08:20,630 --> 01:08:16,799
who are covering up the UFO phenomena

1379
01:08:25,150 --> 01:08:20,640
who have intimidated eyewitnesses to UFO

1380
01:08:28,430 --> 01:08:25,160
phenomena who have uh you know

1381
01:08:30,590 --> 01:08:28,440
stopped the you know uh these documents

1382
01:08:32,870 --> 01:08:30,600
from coming out and continue to keep us

1383
01:08:34,669 --> 01:08:32,880
in the dark and misinform us are

1384
01:08:36,769 --> 01:08:34,679
basically the same people

1385
01:08:38,749 --> 01:08:36,779
who killed Kennedy and are doing the

1386
01:08:42,229 --> 01:08:38,759
same thing with that assassination I

1387
01:08:45,110 --> 01:08:42,239
mean this is D this is like deep dark uh

1388
01:08:47,030 --> 01:08:45,120
Above Top Secret kind of people you know

1389
01:08:48,950 --> 01:08:47,040
I I say this

1390
01:08:51,829 --> 01:08:48,960
Kennedy was President of the United

1391
01:08:53,930 --> 01:08:51,839
States he thought he had a lot of power

1392
01:08:56,630 --> 01:08:53,940
he had power

1393
01:08:59,749 --> 01:08:56,640
but he didn't have real power

1394
01:09:01,249 --> 01:08:59,759
the people with the real power are the

1395
01:09:04,249 --> 01:09:01,259
people who killed him

1396
01:09:07,309 --> 01:09:04,259
is is it is that

1397
01:09:08,630 --> 01:09:07,319
um uh I have to ask this question and

1398
01:09:12,169 --> 01:09:08,640
we're going to circle back to Fred

1399
01:09:15,610 --> 01:09:12,179
Chrisman uh for a couple of reasons but

1400
01:09:18,349 --> 01:09:15,620
do you believe as I do

1401
01:09:20,749 --> 01:09:18,359
that every president

1402
01:09:22,550 --> 01:09:20,759
after you know the inauguration right

1403
01:09:24,890 --> 01:09:22,560
and you you go to the White House you go

1404
01:09:26,809 --> 01:09:24,900
to the Oval Office and you sit down and

1405
01:09:29,209 --> 01:09:26,819
you know you're putting out your pen

1406
01:09:32,450 --> 01:09:29,219
holder adjusting where the phone is

1407
01:09:35,110 --> 01:09:32,460
sitting right checking out the chair and

1408
01:09:37,309 --> 01:09:35,120
you're like adjusting it right right

1409
01:09:42,849 --> 01:09:37,319
I'm king of the world then the phone

1410
01:09:45,410 --> 01:09:42,859
rings right yeah okay oh what what what

1411
01:09:48,530 --> 01:09:45,420
I think that every president finds that

1412
01:09:50,990 --> 01:09:48,540
out you know that you

1413
01:09:54,530 --> 01:09:51,000
you're going to answer to somebody and

1414
01:09:57,229 --> 01:09:54,540
that will become painfully clear uh with

1415
01:09:59,630 --> 01:09:57,239
your first visit to the Oval Office

1416
01:10:01,850 --> 01:09:59,640
that is so I'm so glad you brought this

1417
01:10:04,130 --> 01:10:01,860
up because

1418
01:10:06,770 --> 01:10:04,140
that was never as true as it was and I

1419
01:10:08,450 --> 01:10:06,780
think Kennedy was that message right and

1420
01:10:10,910 --> 01:10:08,460
at that point they solidified their

1421
01:10:13,010 --> 01:10:10,920
power and someone said to me I think

1422
01:10:15,470 --> 01:10:13,020
they think that every president who

1423
01:10:17,030 --> 01:10:15,480
comes into office they force them to

1424
01:10:20,689 --> 01:10:17,040
watch there's a Pruder film over and

1425
01:10:23,209 --> 01:10:20,699
over and they say that will be you

1426
01:10:24,709 --> 01:10:23,219
if you think you're gonna get rid of the

1427
01:10:27,169 --> 01:10:24,719
Federal Reserve

1428
01:10:28,729 --> 01:10:27,179
right right you think you're going to

1429
01:10:30,950 --> 01:10:28,739
stop War

1430
01:10:34,729 --> 01:10:30,960
you think you're going to bloom boom

1431
01:10:37,070 --> 01:10:34,739
boom boom I'll okay I tell people this I

1432
01:10:39,649 --> 01:10:37,080
swear this is that this is an incredible

1433
01:10:42,410 --> 01:10:39,659
moment for me when Obama took office

1434
01:10:44,630 --> 01:10:42,420
right so he wins the election

1435
01:10:46,490 --> 01:10:44,640
you know that was a big deal everyone's

1436
01:10:49,250 --> 01:10:46,500
pumped up he's pumped up you know he's

1437
01:10:52,490 --> 01:10:49,260
you know confident guy a great speaker

1438
01:10:55,130 --> 01:10:52,500
and now he's President right and so he

1439
01:10:57,229 --> 01:10:55,140
goes into this transition meeting that

1440
01:10:58,729 --> 01:10:57,239
they have and I don't know they I think

1441
01:11:01,010 --> 01:10:58,739
they do this with everyone

1442
01:11:02,750 --> 01:11:01,020
and there's a meeting and it's and so

1443
01:11:05,330 --> 01:11:02,760
it's the old president and his people

1444
01:11:07,550 --> 01:11:05,340
and then the new president God knows who

1445
01:11:10,430 --> 01:11:07,560
else is in there so it's bushes you know

1446
01:11:12,350 --> 01:11:10,440
bush is in there so there's this meeting

1447
01:11:13,689 --> 01:11:12,360
the transition

1448
01:11:16,490 --> 01:11:13,699
I remember

1449
01:11:17,630 --> 01:11:16,500
Obama coming out of that meeting and we

1450
01:11:20,450 --> 01:11:17,640
didn't know what happened in the meeting

1451
01:11:22,250 --> 01:11:20,460
but he was he was seen you know so they

1452
01:11:24,649 --> 01:11:22,260
interviewed him after the meeting and

1453
01:11:26,290 --> 01:11:24,659
then he was on TV or whatever the Press

1454
01:11:28,310 --> 01:11:26,300
was there

1455
01:11:32,990 --> 01:11:28,320
he looked

1456
01:11:36,590 --> 01:11:33,000
10 years older terrified terrified and

1457
01:11:40,130 --> 01:11:36,600
shaken to the core Shake another guy

1458
01:11:42,530 --> 01:11:40,140
I will never forget that as long as I

1459
01:11:44,390 --> 01:11:42,540
live and I said what the hell did they

1460
01:11:46,850 --> 01:11:44,400
tell him in there what do they say

1461
01:11:48,169 --> 01:11:46,860
because he walked in showing his teeth

1462
01:11:49,610 --> 01:11:48,179
right

1463
01:11:52,430 --> 01:11:49,620
yes

1464
01:11:54,290 --> 01:11:52,440
right right he was all pop you know it

1465
01:11:56,870 --> 01:11:54,300
was a big deal it was it was it was a it

1466
01:11:58,310 --> 01:11:56,880
was an amped up moment you know and he

1467
01:12:02,870 --> 01:11:58,320
came out of that with his tail between

1468
01:12:06,470 --> 01:12:02,880
his legs and uh yeah yeah and uh uh

1469
01:12:10,630 --> 01:12:06,480
let's let's back up let's let's go on

1470
01:12:14,390 --> 01:12:10,640
during the campaign

1471
01:12:16,610 --> 01:12:14,400
there was a moment when

1472
01:12:18,590 --> 01:12:16,620
the Press Corps

1473
01:12:20,390 --> 01:12:18,600
right they've got a couple of planes

1474
01:12:23,630 --> 01:12:20,400
right and flying around the country on

1475
01:12:25,250 --> 01:12:23,640
the campaign Trail and um

1476
01:12:27,530 --> 01:12:25,260
somebody comes on the plane announces to

1477
01:12:29,570 --> 01:12:27,540
the Press Obama's not with us right now

1478
01:12:30,709 --> 01:12:29,580
they're like in the Airtel what do you

1479
01:12:33,950 --> 01:12:30,719
mean what do you mean they take the

1480
01:12:37,030 --> 01:12:33,960
Press Corps to the next city Obama

1481
01:12:41,090 --> 01:12:37,040
goes and meets with the bilderbergs

1482
01:12:43,610 --> 01:12:41,100
and so does Hillary and they were

1483
01:12:46,130 --> 01:12:43,620
campaigning against each other

1484
01:12:48,530 --> 01:12:46,140
right and

1485
01:12:51,770 --> 01:12:48,540
um and suddenly and you remember it was

1486
01:12:52,970 --> 01:12:51,780
like uh so Hillary meets with the

1487
01:12:56,030 --> 01:12:52,980
bilderbergs

1488
01:12:58,970 --> 01:12:56,040
she splits then Obama goes in

1489
01:13:02,149 --> 01:12:58,980
he splits she drops out of the campaign

1490
01:13:04,490 --> 01:13:02,159
and she's made Secretary of State

1491
01:13:05,590 --> 01:13:04,500
now and and of course he gets elected

1492
01:13:11,149 --> 01:13:05,600
now

1493
01:13:13,729 --> 01:13:11,159
smells a little bit funky and it was how

1494
01:13:17,510 --> 01:13:13,739
it was announced to the Press Corps you

1495
01:13:20,630 --> 01:13:17,520
can go and historically read all of this

1496
01:13:24,290 --> 01:13:20,640
and see how it went down and that

1497
01:13:27,530 --> 01:13:24,300
campaign changed instantly that day and

1498
01:13:30,050 --> 01:13:27,540
and I'm I'm convinced man they were

1499
01:13:32,689 --> 01:13:30,060
Obama was okay

1500
01:13:34,010 --> 01:13:32,699
you're the next president Hillary we're

1501
01:13:36,410 --> 01:13:34,020
going to make you Secretary of State

1502
01:13:39,770 --> 01:13:36,420
don't freak out just just relax in the

1503
01:13:41,870 --> 01:13:39,780
campaign he is going to be elected and

1504
01:13:44,149 --> 01:13:41,880
and that's it let's let's make a little

1505
01:13:46,430 --> 01:13:44,159
deal here and and that's how it's going

1506
01:13:49,189 --> 01:13:46,440
to go down and that's how it played out

1507
01:13:51,530 --> 01:13:49,199
and it's it's stopping you think about

1508
01:13:54,530 --> 01:13:51,540
it that's where

1509
01:13:58,010 --> 01:13:54,540
um is this some twisted

1510
01:14:00,290 --> 01:13:58,020
you know uh uh the movie Conspiracy

1511
01:14:02,689 --> 01:14:00,300
Theory playing out in real time well you

1512
01:14:05,330 --> 01:14:02,699
know what I would say that the evidence

1513
01:14:07,130 --> 01:14:05,340
if you look at it certainly suggests

1514
01:14:08,470 --> 01:14:07,140
that and I think that every president

1515
01:14:13,370 --> 01:14:08,480
prior

1516
01:14:15,590 --> 01:14:13,380
uh before Kennedy I think all had that

1517
01:14:17,930 --> 01:14:15,600
Sunday go to meeting moment uh where

1518
01:14:22,070 --> 01:14:17,940
they were told what is going on and

1519
01:14:23,870 --> 01:14:22,080
including JFK which is uh back to your

1520
01:14:26,390 --> 01:14:23,880
point

1521
01:14:29,270 --> 01:14:26,400
um when he made that speech

1522
01:14:31,550 --> 01:14:29,280
secret handshakes and secret you know

1523
01:14:33,830 --> 01:14:31,560
attendance secret societies and secret

1524
01:14:34,910 --> 01:14:33,840
than the military industrial complex I'm

1525
01:14:38,590 --> 01:14:34,920
like dude

1526
01:14:40,610 --> 01:14:38,600
what are you doing right now

1527
01:14:43,970 --> 01:14:40,620
when when

1528
01:14:45,590 --> 01:14:43,980
are you doing you know because he was

1529
01:14:48,590 --> 01:14:45,600
told he knew

1530
01:14:53,410 --> 01:14:48,600
right he knew what was going on and he

1531
01:14:57,290 --> 01:14:53,420
said those things in public Jack

1532
01:15:00,290 --> 01:14:57,300
listen a lot of people say that both

1533
01:15:02,870 --> 01:15:00,300
John and Robert dug their own Graves I

1534
01:15:04,610 --> 01:15:02,880
mean you know listen first of all when

1535
01:15:06,709 --> 01:15:04,620
the mob helps you win an election you

1536
01:15:09,770 --> 01:15:06,719
don't all of a sudden return the favor

1537
01:15:11,689 --> 01:15:09,780
by indicting mobsters and that's what

1538
01:15:13,610 --> 01:15:11,699
happened with the Kennedys you know when

1539
01:15:15,590 --> 01:15:13,620
Bobby became attorney general he went

1540
01:15:17,750 --> 01:15:15,600
after the mob and they helped them win

1541
01:15:19,669 --> 01:15:17,760
the election that's just the way it was

1542
01:15:22,130 --> 01:15:19,679
I mean Joe Kennedy was a criminal

1543
01:15:24,290 --> 01:15:22,140
himself listen I don't I don't

1544
01:15:25,490 --> 01:15:24,300
I don't Elevate Kennedy to sainthood in

1545
01:15:27,350 --> 01:15:25,500
this I don't do any of that kind of

1546
01:15:29,149 --> 01:15:27,360
stuff I mean you know Kennedy John

1547
01:15:30,530 --> 01:15:29,159
Kennedy wasn't a perfect man by any

1548
01:15:32,990 --> 01:15:30,540
means but

1549
01:15:34,669 --> 01:15:33,000
the idea it's Puppet Master stuff is

1550
01:15:36,770 --> 01:15:34,679
what you're seeing going on but I think

1551
01:15:38,630 --> 01:15:36,780
Kennedy and then as with Bobby they

1552
01:15:40,910 --> 01:15:38,640
thought you know we have power here we

1553
01:15:44,570 --> 01:15:40,920
can change things and the lesson there

1554
01:15:47,030 --> 01:15:44,580
was no you can't and it and one of the

1555
01:15:49,610 --> 01:15:47,040
things I learned in writing this book is

1556
01:15:51,350 --> 01:15:49,620
that there is an elite there's an

1557
01:15:53,390 --> 01:15:51,360
elitism

1558
01:15:56,450 --> 01:15:53,400
very powerful people

1559
01:15:58,790 --> 01:15:56,460
and an elitist attitude where they grow

1560
01:16:01,070 --> 01:15:58,800
up believing literally grow up believing

1561
01:16:03,350 --> 01:16:01,080
that it is they are meant to rule over

1562
01:16:06,169 --> 01:16:03,360
others they are meant to govern over

1563
01:16:07,910 --> 01:16:06,179
others and that this is the best thing

1564
01:16:08,830 --> 01:16:07,920
for Humanity because they're smarter

1565
01:16:11,209 --> 01:16:08,840
better

1566
01:16:13,790 --> 01:16:11,219
more well-bred

1567
01:16:16,250 --> 01:16:13,800
etc etc etc and when you look at guys

1568
01:16:18,050 --> 01:16:16,260
like the Dulles Brothers Alan Dulles and

1569
01:16:20,990 --> 01:16:18,060
all these people the CIA director before

1570
01:16:22,669 --> 01:16:21,000
Kennedy by the way fired him okay and

1571
01:16:24,470 --> 01:16:22,679
then he's he's on the warrant commission

1572
01:16:26,410 --> 01:16:24,480
Dulles afterwards that's another like

1573
01:16:30,169 --> 01:16:26,420
really

1574
01:16:32,630 --> 01:16:30,179
I mean every part of it see and you know

1575
01:16:36,470 --> 01:16:32,640
what it's not only Alan Palace but but

1576
01:16:39,590 --> 01:16:36,480
it's Bush it's next in uh Nixon was part

1577
01:16:43,310 --> 01:16:39,600
of Eisenhower and what was going down

1578
01:16:45,709 --> 01:16:43,320
um uh 1960 61 62.

1579
01:16:49,010 --> 01:16:45,719
um you had that that whole crew of guys

1580
01:16:51,950 --> 01:16:49,020
of wish Bush was one Alan Dulles was

1581
01:16:55,250 --> 01:16:51,960
another and Nixon was part of it and

1582
01:16:56,810 --> 01:16:55,260
they had stuff going on they they were

1583
01:16:58,850 --> 01:16:56,820
dealing with Russia they were dealing

1584
01:17:01,550 --> 01:16:58,860
with Germany they were dealing with Cuba

1585
01:17:04,070 --> 01:17:01,560
they were dealing with South America

1586
01:17:06,470 --> 01:17:04,080
um and the military industrial complex

1587
01:17:08,510 --> 01:17:06,480
and the mafia and other things that were

1588
01:17:10,430 --> 01:17:08,520
all happening at the same time these

1589
01:17:13,430 --> 01:17:10,440
guys had side deals under the table

1590
01:17:16,970 --> 01:17:13,440
deals above table deals sideways things

1591
01:17:18,709 --> 01:17:16,980
Politics the Pentagon Washington DC it

1592
01:17:22,610 --> 01:17:18,719
was all happening at the same time this

1593
01:17:24,290 --> 01:17:22,620
is not uh you know like conjecture this

1594
01:17:26,450 --> 01:17:24,300
is the reality and if you go back and

1595
01:17:29,930 --> 01:17:26,460
you read through history

1596
01:17:33,709 --> 01:17:29,940
um Alan Dulles and and Bush Senior and

1597
01:17:36,709 --> 01:17:33,719
and Nixon oh man uh none of those guys

1598
01:17:39,530 --> 01:17:36,719
were on the Kennedy team none of them

1599
01:17:41,570 --> 01:17:39,540
no and they were horrible people I mean

1600
01:17:43,070 --> 01:17:41,580
I that's part of the book I talk about I

1601
01:17:46,250 --> 01:17:43,080
talked to a couple of psychologists and

1602
01:17:49,189 --> 01:17:46,260
I talk about the the mindset of people

1603
01:17:50,930 --> 01:17:49,199
like that and it goes into elitism so

1604
01:17:53,270 --> 01:17:50,940
you're an elitist but then you throw in

1605
01:17:55,689 --> 01:17:53,280
narcissists

1606
01:17:58,729 --> 01:17:55,699
megalomaniac

1607
01:18:01,669 --> 01:17:58,739
sociopath if not full out psychopath I

1608
01:18:03,350 --> 01:18:01,679
mean this these are literally the some

1609
01:18:05,090 --> 01:18:03,360
of the people you just mentioned let's

1610
01:18:08,510 --> 01:18:05,100
throw Linda Johnson in that Bunch yeah

1611
01:18:10,250 --> 01:18:08,520
LBJ goes right here you know what that

1612
01:18:12,169 --> 01:18:10,260
dude was at the center of the wheel too

1613
01:18:15,890 --> 01:18:12,179
as well

1614
01:18:18,470 --> 01:18:15,900
um so yes LBJ

1615
01:18:20,709 --> 01:18:18,480
it was crazy and so

1616
01:18:25,370 --> 01:18:20,719
um uh here's the thing

1617
01:18:29,330 --> 01:18:25,380
when we look at that when it it uh the

1618
01:18:31,149 --> 01:18:29,340
Kennedy family and you know Camelot and

1619
01:18:33,530 --> 01:18:31,159
the the

1620
01:18:36,470 --> 01:18:33,540
it was almost like

1621
01:18:38,870 --> 01:18:36,480
um uh royalty might be the right word

1622
01:18:41,649 --> 01:18:38,880
but almost Hollywood almost Cinderella

1623
01:18:44,510 --> 01:18:41,659
almost you know what I mean a fairy tale

1624
01:18:47,390 --> 01:18:44,520
uh situation where it was just magical

1625
01:18:49,370 --> 01:18:47,400
right and all of it

1626
01:18:51,350 --> 01:18:49,380
came undone

1627
01:18:54,890 --> 01:18:51,360
you know the Kennedy Brothers the

1628
01:18:57,470 --> 01:18:54,900
Kennedy family the the tragedy that that

1629
01:19:00,410 --> 01:18:57,480
absolutely fell

1630
01:19:03,110 --> 01:19:00,420
um all the way through uh that it seems

1631
01:19:06,709 --> 01:19:03,120
like it continues to this day there's uh

1632
01:19:09,770 --> 01:19:06,719
nothing there was no happy ending uh to

1633
01:19:11,750 --> 01:19:09,780
the Kennedys uh or their family

1634
01:19:14,330 --> 01:19:11,760
and that's one of the big themes of the

1635
01:19:15,890 --> 01:19:14,340
book is why it still matters and why it

1636
01:19:18,709 --> 01:19:15,900
still matters is because everything

1637
01:19:20,270 --> 01:19:18,719
changed that day and the idea of

1638
01:19:22,910 --> 01:19:20,280
American exceptionalism American

1639
01:19:25,970 --> 01:19:22,920
exceptionalism was a thing

1640
01:19:29,330 --> 01:19:25,980
and in the 50s right from World War

1641
01:19:32,090 --> 01:19:29,340
right when World War II ended until 1963

1642
01:19:34,610 --> 01:19:32,100
was American exceptionalism

1643
01:19:38,090 --> 01:19:34,620
when Kennedy was shot from that day

1644
01:19:41,810 --> 01:19:38,100
forward American exceptionalism eroded

1645
01:19:44,630 --> 01:19:41,820
and began to erode like a cancer

1646
01:19:46,370 --> 01:19:44,640
and has eroded ever since

1647
01:19:48,649 --> 01:19:46,380
so there is a there is a direct

1648
01:19:50,209 --> 01:19:48,659
connection between the Kennedy

1649
01:19:53,630 --> 01:19:50,219
assassination

1650
01:19:58,550 --> 01:19:53,640
59 years ago next next year will be the

1651
01:20:02,870 --> 01:20:00,590
there's a direct connection and

1652
01:20:03,890 --> 01:20:02,880
correlation between that moment in our

1653
01:20:06,890 --> 01:20:03,900
history

1654
01:20:08,689 --> 01:20:06,900
and where we find ourselves now

1655
01:20:12,110 --> 01:20:08,699
and you mentioned that you say well we

1656
01:20:15,649 --> 01:20:12,120
have a Knicks and a Watergate it all

1657
01:20:18,290 --> 01:20:15,659
listen the Watergate burglars Frank

1658
01:20:20,510 --> 01:20:18,300
Sturgis these Cuban Exiles these guys

1659
01:20:22,370 --> 01:20:20,520
that were e Howard hunt I interviewed

1660
01:20:24,470 --> 01:20:22,380
his son for the book that's right I

1661
01:20:26,209 --> 01:20:24,480
forgot about it oh these all his Nixon's

1662
01:20:28,250 --> 01:20:26,219
guys that were arrested in Watergate

1663
01:20:30,610 --> 01:20:28,260
we're all part of the Kennedy

1664
01:20:33,050 --> 01:20:30,620
assassination

1665
01:20:34,970 --> 01:20:33,060
a lot of people believe Frank Sturgis

1666
01:20:37,189 --> 01:20:34,980
was one of the gunmen he was a mercenary

1667
01:20:40,550 --> 01:20:37,199
the guy these guys were trained

1668
01:20:44,090 --> 01:20:40,560
mercenaries trained soldiers they did

1669
01:20:47,510 --> 01:20:44,100
not shy away from killing people

1670
01:20:50,689 --> 01:20:47,520
that was they were can can I ask you one

1671
01:20:51,950 --> 01:20:50,699
uh uh one question that um

1672
01:20:55,790 --> 01:20:51,960
um as

1673
01:20:58,130 --> 01:20:55,800
um look as as a as a young man as a boy

1674
01:21:02,330 --> 01:20:58,140
we all do the same thing cap guns cowboy

1675
01:21:03,530 --> 01:21:02,340
in the you know the cowboy cowboy hat we

1676
01:21:05,149 --> 01:21:03,540
always want to do those things you

1677
01:21:07,970 --> 01:21:05,159
remember the rolls of caps I can't

1678
01:21:10,430 --> 01:21:07,980
believe those things were legal

1679
01:21:14,149 --> 01:21:10,440
um but um

1680
01:21:16,250 --> 01:21:14,159
so we always have had BB guns Daisy you

1681
01:21:18,590 --> 01:21:16,260
know all that stuff right

1682
01:21:20,390 --> 01:21:18,600
um and it's part of growing up and we we

1683
01:21:22,729 --> 01:21:20,400
all have a fascination with that and

1684
01:21:25,189 --> 01:21:22,739
with guns and and things okay that's

1685
01:21:26,209 --> 01:21:25,199
that's fine but

1686
01:21:31,689 --> 01:21:26,219
um

1687
01:21:35,090 --> 01:21:31,699
when I take my basic very rudiment

1688
01:21:38,149 --> 01:21:35,100
knowledge of of firearms I'm not any

1689
01:21:42,169 --> 01:21:38,159
expert but when I look at the bolt

1690
01:21:45,050 --> 01:21:42,179
action that that rifle that he had that

1691
01:21:47,090 --> 01:21:45,060
he bought in from the back of a Flash

1692
01:21:49,430 --> 01:21:47,100
Gordon comic book or wherever he got it

1693
01:21:52,189 --> 01:21:49,440
you know whatever whatever

1694
01:21:53,689 --> 01:21:52,199
um I remember seeing the ad for it right

1695
01:21:58,490 --> 01:21:53,699
um and he orders it and it gets

1696
01:22:00,050 --> 01:21:58,500
delivered that is it possible I've seen

1697
01:22:01,790 --> 01:22:00,060
all the demonstrations of it but I'm

1698
01:22:06,229 --> 01:22:01,800
asking you

1699
01:22:10,070 --> 01:22:06,239
um is it possible to pop off shots like

1700
01:22:12,890 --> 01:22:10,080
that accurately uh that quickly

1701
01:22:15,169 --> 01:22:12,900
I've I've never seen a demonstration to

1702
01:22:17,510 --> 01:22:15,179
convince me that it's possible with

1703
01:22:19,550 --> 01:22:17,520
Sharpshooters right no right I've ever

1704
01:22:21,050 --> 01:22:19,560
been able to pull that off have they and

1705
01:22:22,669 --> 01:22:21,060
they have not been able to pull that off

1706
01:22:23,810 --> 01:22:22,679
because they've tried and here and

1707
01:22:25,189 --> 01:22:23,820
here's the thing and this is what's

1708
01:22:28,070 --> 01:22:25,199
really interesting so I was just in

1709
01:22:31,970 --> 01:22:28,080
Dealey Plaza I was fortunate enough

1710
01:22:34,610 --> 01:22:31,980
to do a three-hour tour of Dealey Plaza

1711
01:22:37,310 --> 01:22:34,620
with researchers in the JFK Community

1712
01:22:40,370 --> 01:22:37,320
but one of the guys who led the tour was

1713
01:22:42,950 --> 01:22:40,380
a sharpshooter in the army

1714
01:22:45,110 --> 01:22:42,960
and you can only imagine the things he

1715
01:22:48,110 --> 01:22:45,120
was talking about he goes first of all

1716
01:22:49,669 --> 01:22:48,120
the scope on this particular gun was

1717
01:22:52,430 --> 01:22:49,679
defective

1718
01:22:54,530 --> 01:22:52,440
oh is that true so as soon as the scope

1719
01:22:56,630 --> 01:22:54,540
is misaligned or off

1720
01:22:59,209 --> 01:22:56,640
there's no chance in hell you're hitting

1721
01:23:01,250 --> 01:22:59,219
anything he goes become to be a

1722
01:23:04,790 --> 01:23:01,260
sharpshooter a good one

1723
01:23:07,130 --> 01:23:04,800
you have to practice every day

1724
01:23:10,250 --> 01:23:07,140
and you have to practice he said that he

1725
01:23:12,530 --> 01:23:10,260
practiced like 100 200 300 yards and it

1726
01:23:14,330 --> 01:23:12,540
wasn't shooting a paper Target it was

1727
01:23:18,050 --> 01:23:14,340
shooting a lollipop the head of a

1728
01:23:20,570 --> 01:23:18,060
lollipop ah okay these guys were trained

1729
01:23:23,149 --> 01:23:20,580
killers they can hit but they had to

1730
01:23:24,590 --> 01:23:23,159
practice practice Oswald never it wasn't

1731
01:23:26,330 --> 01:23:24,600
what he did

1732
01:23:28,189 --> 01:23:26,340
they try to show oh he was at a shooting

1733
01:23:29,930 --> 01:23:28,199
range but it wasn't Oswald it didn't

1734
01:23:32,149 --> 01:23:29,940
even look like Oswald he said he was Lee

1735
01:23:34,010 --> 01:23:32,159
Harvey Oswald he made it it was like

1736
01:23:35,630 --> 01:23:34,020
this hey I'm we you know why would he do

1737
01:23:37,610 --> 01:23:35,640
that I'm Lee Harvey Oswald but it wasn't

1738
01:23:40,010 --> 01:23:37,620
Oswald that was all part of the sheep

1739
01:23:42,590 --> 01:23:40,020
dipping but here's the thing he was

1740
01:23:45,050 --> 01:23:42,600
talking about for a sniper for a

1741
01:23:48,110 --> 01:23:45,060
marksman there are seven factors that

1742
01:23:50,570 --> 01:23:48,120
you have to consider all within five

1743
01:23:52,430 --> 01:23:50,580
minutes before the target is you're

1744
01:23:55,070 --> 01:23:52,440
gonna shoot at the Target

1745
01:23:57,770 --> 01:23:55,080
so there's a list of things wind wind

1746
01:24:01,189 --> 01:23:57,780
direction humidity uh humidity

1747
01:24:04,010 --> 01:24:01,199
temperature right slope now remember now

1748
01:24:08,630 --> 01:24:04,020
Kennedy on that on on Elm was a downward

1749
01:24:10,370 --> 01:24:08,640
slope and moving and moving yes and and

1750
01:24:12,709 --> 01:24:10,380
there was a tree in the way from the

1751
01:24:15,050 --> 01:24:12,719
from that from the position that Oswald

1752
01:24:16,850 --> 01:24:15,060
was apparently in so you have these guys

1753
01:24:18,770 --> 01:24:16,860
that's why there's a spotter right the

1754
01:24:20,030 --> 01:24:18,780
Spotter and then you had guys the guy

1755
01:24:22,010 --> 01:24:20,040
with the umbrella man you know they

1756
01:24:24,169 --> 01:24:22,020
talked about umbrella man why would he

1757
01:24:26,030 --> 01:24:24,179
start pumping an umbrella it was 65

1758
01:24:28,250 --> 01:24:26,040
degrees out that day not a cloud in the

1759
01:24:30,110 --> 01:24:28,260
sky he's pumping an umbrella and there's

1760
01:24:33,110 --> 01:24:30,120
a guy next to him with a walkie-talkie

1761
01:24:35,110 --> 01:24:33,120
it's because he's entered the Kill Zone

1762
01:24:38,149 --> 01:24:35,120
this guy

1763
01:24:39,890 --> 01:24:38,159
if it wasn't Eerie enough

1764
01:24:42,110 --> 01:24:39,900
being there

1765
01:24:43,790 --> 01:24:42,120
the way this guy is describing it as it

1766
01:24:45,290 --> 01:24:43,800
would be this is how it had to you know

1767
01:24:47,570 --> 01:24:45,300
this is the way the military operates

1768
01:24:49,370 --> 01:24:47,580
this is how Sharpshooters operate

1769
01:24:51,350 --> 01:24:49,380
they had to get him in a triangulation

1770
01:24:54,530 --> 01:24:51,360
they had to do this they had spotters

1771
01:24:56,510 --> 01:24:54,540
they earlier that morning he showed us

1772
01:24:57,950 --> 01:24:56,520
this Mark it was a yellow Mark that was

1773
01:25:00,050 --> 01:24:57,960
still on the curb that was still a

1774
01:25:01,970 --> 01:25:00,060
little bit left of this yellow

1775
01:25:03,649 --> 01:25:01,980
we're like what's that it wasn't a bus

1776
01:25:05,570 --> 01:25:03,659
stop it wasn't okay there was there was

1777
01:25:07,010 --> 01:25:05,580
never a parking there it was it was a

1778
01:25:09,709 --> 01:25:07,020
freeway you know this you were there

1779
01:25:12,290 --> 01:25:09,719
it's a freeway it's a triple underpass

1780
01:25:13,970 --> 01:25:12,300
there's a lot of people today fly by

1781
01:25:15,410 --> 01:25:13,980
they're going by they Hawk the people

1782
01:25:18,050 --> 01:25:15,420
the tourists that are standing on the

1783
01:25:20,390 --> 01:25:18,060
red mark on the on the on the on the X

1784
01:25:24,169 --> 01:25:20,400
because someone's gonna get killed doing

1785
01:25:26,930 --> 01:25:24,179
this one day so it's it's a working

1786
01:25:31,250 --> 01:25:26,940
road so

1787
01:25:33,169 --> 01:25:31,260
that morning they saw people painting on

1788
01:25:35,870 --> 01:25:33,179
the sidewalk not on the side of the

1789
01:25:39,770 --> 01:25:35,880
grassy knoll but the other side

1790
01:25:43,189 --> 01:25:39,780
spots of of yellow marker

1791
01:25:45,530 --> 01:25:43,199
and he's him being a military guy and a

1792
01:25:49,310 --> 01:25:45,540
sniper is like those that those are kill

1793
01:25:52,310 --> 01:25:49,320
zones it could be 80 yards 60 yards 40

1794
01:25:53,330 --> 01:25:52,320
yards umbrella man we're at 80. we're at

1795
01:25:56,270 --> 01:25:53,340
40.

1796
01:25:58,990 --> 01:25:56,280
we're at where it's 20 or shoot shoot

1797
01:26:04,370 --> 01:26:02,330
and when you realize this and we're I'm

1798
01:26:07,010 --> 01:26:04,380
looking at the paint that's still there

1799
01:26:08,990 --> 01:26:07,020
and also he also showed us one of the

1800
01:26:12,470 --> 01:26:09,000
spots where a bullet a high a high

1801
01:26:15,590 --> 01:26:12,480
velocity projectile hit hit the curb

1802
01:26:17,930 --> 01:26:15,600
and you know skirted off the curb

1803
01:26:19,510 --> 01:26:17,940
all right I have a picture of the bullet

1804
01:26:22,430 --> 01:26:19,520
Mark

1805
01:26:24,649 --> 01:26:22,440
so there are way more shots than the

1806
01:26:26,570 --> 01:26:24,659
warrant commission said three shots so

1807
01:26:28,790 --> 01:26:26,580
forget about Lee Harvey Oswald forget

1808
01:26:32,330 --> 01:26:28,800
about that crappy rifle forget about

1809
01:26:34,189 --> 01:26:32,340
three shots from this Malik or Carcano

1810
01:26:36,290 --> 01:26:34,199
that was called the Widowmaker because

1811
01:26:37,550 --> 01:26:36,300
when they shot it it would backfire and

1812
01:26:41,169 --> 01:26:37,560
hit them in the head and kill the

1813
01:26:43,610 --> 01:26:41,179
Italian soldiers yeah I'm gonna

1814
01:26:46,490 --> 01:26:43,620
there's a couple things one uh Adam

1815
01:26:50,030 --> 01:26:46,500
bicycle just said uh disagree three

1816
01:26:52,090 --> 01:26:50,040
shots and five seconds is easy no no I I

1817
01:26:53,750 --> 01:26:52,100
couldn't I

1818
01:26:57,169 --> 01:26:53,760
bam

1819
01:26:58,550 --> 01:26:57,179
bolt action right another look that's

1820
01:27:01,250 --> 01:26:58,560
five seconds right there you haven't

1821
01:27:03,229 --> 01:27:01,260
even shot the second shot okay and are

1822
01:27:06,110 --> 01:27:03,239
you aiming are you aiming that's what

1823
01:27:08,149 --> 01:27:06,120
I'm saying you know so by the time you

1824
01:27:10,669 --> 01:27:08,159
know that's five seconds

1825
01:27:14,090 --> 01:27:10,679
um and and point number two and then I'm

1826
01:27:18,290 --> 01:27:14,100
gonna post uh I'm gonna uh pop this uh

1827
01:27:20,510 --> 01:27:18,300
up for uh is this I have shot a lot of

1828
01:27:25,450 --> 01:27:20,520
guns I've done a lot of target practice

1829
01:27:29,990 --> 01:27:25,460
and uh handguns rifles right and uh

1830
01:27:33,530 --> 01:27:30,000
semi-automatic and even in

1831
01:27:34,610 --> 01:27:33,540
um a semi-automatic situation I have

1832
01:27:37,970 --> 01:27:34,620
never

1833
01:27:41,090 --> 01:27:37,980
but now I'm not a professional okay but

1834
01:27:43,850 --> 01:27:41,100
I've never been able to not have that

1835
01:27:47,090 --> 01:27:43,860
recoil situation where the gun lifts up

1836
01:27:50,450 --> 01:27:47,100
right even you're concentrating right

1837
01:27:54,110 --> 01:27:50,460
and I have shot until my shoulder hurt

1838
01:27:55,450 --> 01:27:54,120
right I couldn't hear anymore I I you

1839
01:28:00,169 --> 01:27:55,460
know I'm just

1840
01:28:02,510 --> 01:28:00,179
and one thing that I have uh never I've

1841
01:28:06,110 --> 01:28:02,520
tried to peel off three or four shots at

1842
01:28:09,290 --> 01:28:06,120
a Target you can't the gun moves the gun

1843
01:28:12,290 --> 01:28:09,300
moves you have to re-aim and it is so

1844
01:28:15,290 --> 01:28:12,300
difficult uh to shoot at a Target at

1845
01:28:17,810 --> 01:28:15,300
distance and and try to lay three shots

1846
01:28:19,970 --> 01:28:17,820
today let alone a moving Target moving

1847
01:28:22,610 --> 01:28:19,980
right yeah and when we're talking about

1848
01:28:26,050 --> 01:28:22,620
the angle of this and that and a bolt

1849
01:28:29,810 --> 01:28:26,060
action gun three shots in five seconds

1850
01:28:31,370 --> 01:28:29,820
now and you know and somebody but that's

1851
01:28:33,590 --> 01:28:31,380
not the here's the thing that's not the

1852
01:28:36,110 --> 01:28:33,600
only aspect of this and it with due

1853
01:28:38,629 --> 01:28:36,120
respect to the person who just wrote in

1854
01:28:41,930 --> 01:28:38,639
I get it and you probably could get

1855
01:28:45,669 --> 01:28:41,940
three shots off in six seconds

1856
01:28:48,350 --> 01:28:45,679
very hardly not aiming yeah

1857
01:28:51,770 --> 01:28:48,360
right certainly well certainly not those

1858
01:28:53,810 --> 01:28:51,780
kinds of precise shots right okay but

1859
01:28:56,450 --> 01:28:53,820
that's not the only element in this

1860
01:28:58,070 --> 01:28:56,460
there are so many let's let's not forget

1861
01:29:01,910 --> 01:28:58,080
the fact that he was shot from the front

1862
01:29:04,490 --> 01:29:01,920
so that so this man who and again all

1863
01:29:06,590 --> 01:29:04,500
due respect well you can shoot

1864
01:29:09,290 --> 01:29:06,600
you know you can shoot three shots in

1865
01:29:11,870 --> 01:29:09,300
six seconds okay it's really a moot

1866
01:29:14,689 --> 01:29:11,880
point isn't it because there are so many

1867
01:29:16,970 --> 01:29:14,699
other factors to consider that it

1868
01:29:19,189 --> 01:29:16,980
doesn't okay so you can shoot you can do

1869
01:29:20,810 --> 01:29:19,199
it but a lot of the Sharpshooters who

1870
01:29:22,189 --> 01:29:20,820
tried to shoot it accurately and do it

1871
01:29:23,689 --> 01:29:22,199
accurately couldn't even come close and

1872
01:29:26,510 --> 01:29:23,699
they were way better shots than Oswald

1873
01:29:28,430 --> 01:29:26,520
ever was ever was ever was and I've seen

1874
01:29:29,450 --> 01:29:28,440
those demonstrations before we get to

1875
01:29:33,410 --> 01:29:29,460
the Break

1876
01:29:35,990 --> 01:29:33,420
um uh uh umbrella man umbrella up Not

1877
01:29:38,810 --> 01:29:36,000
Dead next shooter umbrella uh down

1878
01:29:41,450 --> 01:29:38,820
Target dead move on

1879
01:29:42,550 --> 01:29:41,460
um I've watched that aspect of this the

1880
01:29:45,410 --> 01:29:42,560
umbrella man

1881
01:29:47,330 --> 01:29:45,420
certainly when you go back to Newton now

1882
01:29:49,430 --> 01:29:47,340
when you watch it and you don't know

1883
01:29:50,270 --> 01:29:49,440
about the umbrella man you totally miss

1884
01:29:52,270 --> 01:29:50,280
him

1885
01:29:54,709 --> 01:29:52,280
when you know he's there

1886
01:29:56,090 --> 01:29:54,719
there's something happening with that

1887
01:29:58,129 --> 01:29:56,100
guy

1888
01:30:01,149 --> 01:29:58,139
um you're absolutely right uh umbrella

1889
01:30:04,970 --> 01:30:01,159
up umbrella down at that moment

1890
01:30:06,830 --> 01:30:04,980
uh and he he looked he looked like a

1891
01:30:10,070 --> 01:30:06,840
secret agent standing on the side of the

1892
01:30:13,550 --> 01:30:10,080
road right uh with an umbrella straight

1893
01:30:16,310 --> 01:30:13,560
out of like a James Bond movie yes

1894
01:30:18,290 --> 01:30:16,320
and the guy next to him was also I don't

1895
01:30:20,149 --> 01:30:18,300
know if he was one of the Cubans uh one

1896
01:30:22,250 --> 01:30:20,159
of the Exiles that was involved in in

1897
01:30:24,290 --> 01:30:22,260
the in the whole thing but there were a

1898
01:30:26,810 --> 01:30:24,300
lot you know listen and people asked me

1899
01:30:28,189 --> 01:30:26,820
too like and I'm not the book really

1900
01:30:31,010 --> 01:30:28,199
isn't about

1901
01:30:33,350 --> 01:30:31,020
pinpointing the specifics of who did it

1902
01:30:35,629 --> 01:30:33,360
it's not really but

1903
01:30:37,189 --> 01:30:35,639
when people ask well the CIA I mean I'm

1904
01:30:39,649 --> 01:30:37,199
sorry the mob might have done it or was

1905
01:30:41,030 --> 01:30:39,659
the mob involved and and that's really

1906
01:30:43,430 --> 01:30:41,040
kind of simple too if you think

1907
01:30:45,290 --> 01:30:43,440
objectively and you and you use critical

1908
01:30:47,810 --> 01:30:45,300
thinking skills and you follow the facts

1909
01:30:49,970 --> 01:30:47,820
follow the research you realize that the

1910
01:30:51,950 --> 01:30:49,980
mob and the CIA worked hand in hand

1911
01:30:55,729 --> 01:30:51,960
during these times especially during the

1912
01:30:59,810 --> 01:30:55,739
50s and 60s the CIA used the mob

1913
01:31:01,490 --> 01:30:59,820
to do things for them and so and they

1914
01:31:02,750 --> 01:31:01,500
would pay him or whatever they did right

1915
01:31:05,450 --> 01:31:02,760
we kept him out of prison whatever

1916
01:31:07,490 --> 01:31:05,460
whatever the deal was there so what they

1917
01:31:10,310 --> 01:31:07,500
would do is it was per the mob were used

1918
01:31:12,350 --> 01:31:10,320
to doing hits

1919
01:31:14,030 --> 01:31:12,360
obviously they hated the Kennedys this

1920
01:31:16,669 --> 01:31:14,040
is no secret

1921
01:31:18,530 --> 01:31:16,679
Jack Ruby was in the MOB the heavily in

1922
01:31:21,470 --> 01:31:18,540
the mob heavy ties to the Mob and also

1923
01:31:23,870 --> 01:31:21,480
knew Oswald new Oswald very well over

1924
01:31:25,910 --> 01:31:23,880
the years and also was with him in

1925
01:31:28,310 --> 01:31:25,920
what's was seen with him in New Orleans

1926
01:31:31,070 --> 01:31:28,320
the summer before

1927
01:31:33,350 --> 01:31:31,080
so again facts

1928
01:31:36,649 --> 01:31:33,360
critical thinking skills

1929
01:31:38,330 --> 01:31:36,659
what do you make of that right so uh

1930
01:31:40,189 --> 01:31:38,340
when people say well is it just the mob

1931
01:31:41,810 --> 01:31:40,199
and the mob just the mob doesn't work

1932
01:31:42,649 --> 01:31:41,820
because there's no way the Mob Could

1933
01:31:44,510 --> 01:31:42,659
Have

1934
01:31:45,950 --> 01:31:44,520
would have been able to contain the

1935
01:31:47,510 --> 01:31:45,960
cover-up they would they would have they

1936
01:31:48,950 --> 01:31:47,520
needed it needed to be more than just

1937
01:31:51,350 --> 01:31:48,960
the Bob now there could have been a mob

1938
01:31:53,810 --> 01:31:51,360
Hitman or two there yeah sure absolutely

1939
01:31:55,189 --> 01:31:53,820
could they have helped Planet sure could

1940
01:31:56,209 --> 01:31:55,199
they have backed it they would have

1941
01:31:59,870 --> 01:31:56,219
loved to have backed it they wanted

1942
01:32:01,310 --> 01:31:59,880
Kennedy dead so that's not a stretch no

1943
01:32:04,610 --> 01:32:01,320
it's not I need to take a break right

1944
01:32:06,709 --> 01:32:04,620
here we're going to pick up with was it

1945
01:32:09,050 --> 01:32:06,719
just the mob that's where we're gonna

1946
01:32:10,790 --> 01:32:09,060
pick up when we come back after this

1947
01:32:12,950 --> 01:32:10,800
short break I guess not the one and only

1948
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1949
01:32:17,930 --> 01:32:16,199
Kennedy is out the links for it are

1950
01:32:19,970 --> 01:32:17,940
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1951
01:32:21,390 --> 01:32:19,980
stupid Church stay with us be right back

1952
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1953
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01:32:46,360 --> 01:32:43,760
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1955
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1991
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2005
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2007
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2008
01:35:17,400 --> 01:35:15,120
you listen to us and we listen to you

2009
01:35:21,350 --> 01:35:17,410
and so does the CIA

2010
01:35:28,090 --> 01:35:23,810
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2011
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2012
01:35:34,490 --> 01:35:31,380
Networks you're listening to Jimmy

2013
01:35:38,149 --> 01:35:34,500
church this is Revolution the revolution

2014
01:35:39,830 --> 01:35:38,159
will not be televised the revolution is

2015
01:35:42,960 --> 01:35:39,840
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01:36:24,770 --> 01:36:22,790
thank you

2019
01:36:27,110 --> 01:36:24,780
Welcome Back Fade to Black I am your

2020
01:36:29,090 --> 01:36:27,120
host Jimmy church tonight Jack rothers

2021
01:36:31,910 --> 01:36:29,100
with us his new book is out it's called

2022
01:36:34,430 --> 01:36:31,920
Killing Kennedy today is

2023
01:36:37,850 --> 01:36:34,440
November 22nd anniversary of the

2024
01:36:40,610 --> 01:36:37,860
assassination of JFK

2025
01:36:42,830 --> 01:36:40,620
um it is something that you know here's

2026
01:36:46,610 --> 01:36:42,840
the thing uh Jack is we're going to pick

2027
01:36:49,610 --> 01:36:46,620
up right right was it just the mob uh

2028
01:36:51,590 --> 01:36:49,620
where we left off do you do you think

2029
01:36:53,990 --> 01:36:51,600
that we'll ever get these questions

2030
01:36:58,310 --> 01:36:54,000
answered

2031
01:37:01,490 --> 01:36:58,320
no yeah I don't either I I know that's a

2032
01:37:03,350 --> 01:37:01,500
major bummer but I think people need to

2033
01:37:05,149 --> 01:37:03,360
do their own research and again be

2034
01:37:07,370 --> 01:37:05,159
critical thinkers and know the truth on

2035
01:37:09,350 --> 01:37:07,380
their own right even if they're the

2036
01:37:11,810 --> 01:37:09,360
government's never why after 60 years

2037
01:37:13,189 --> 01:37:11,820
are they still right like you said one

2038
01:37:15,590 --> 01:37:13,199
president after the other that's

2039
01:37:17,750 --> 01:37:15,600
delaying these documents and when you

2040
01:37:19,370 --> 01:37:17,760
get the documents I tell a UFO and

2041
01:37:20,570 --> 01:37:19,380
research is the same thing don't get too

2042
01:37:21,790 --> 01:37:20,580
excited what do you think they're going

2043
01:37:25,250 --> 01:37:21,800
to give you

2044
01:37:28,629 --> 01:37:25,260
yeah

2045
01:37:31,729 --> 01:37:28,639
you know there's too much uh too much

2046
01:37:34,790 --> 01:37:31,739
there was I'm gonna I want to jump into

2047
01:37:38,570 --> 01:37:34,800
the Mandela effect before we get back to

2048
01:37:40,790 --> 01:37:38,580
uh the just the mob by the way it's

2049
01:37:44,930 --> 01:37:40,800
right here okay I'm not gonna let just

2050
01:37:49,189 --> 01:37:44,940
the mob get away from me there it is

2051
01:37:50,390 --> 01:37:49,199
um uh it was probably uh five or six

2052
01:37:53,030 --> 01:37:50,400
years ago

2053
01:37:55,129 --> 01:37:53,040
um on this program and I was taking

2054
01:37:58,430 --> 01:37:55,139
calls one night and we're talking about

2055
01:38:02,870 --> 01:37:58,440
the Mandela effect you know and somebody

2056
01:38:06,470 --> 01:38:02,880
calls me up and says but uh

2057
01:38:09,470 --> 01:38:06,480
how many people were in JFK's car

2058
01:38:11,689 --> 01:38:09,480
during the assassination I said four

2059
01:38:16,010 --> 01:38:11,699
no there was six I said no there wasn't

2060
01:38:18,169 --> 01:38:16,020
there was four and and now

2061
01:38:21,350 --> 01:38:18,179
you chalk it up to bad memory to

2062
01:38:24,410 --> 01:38:21,360
whatever it may be but

2063
01:38:26,990 --> 01:38:24,420
um even after watching the supporter

2064
01:38:28,970 --> 01:38:27,000
film a million times for some reason in

2065
01:38:30,890 --> 01:38:28,980
my mind it was four

2066
01:38:35,629 --> 01:38:30,900
right Connolly in the front seat with

2067
01:38:37,010 --> 01:38:35,639
the driver and and uh John and and

2068
01:38:38,590 --> 01:38:37,020
um Jackie O

2069
01:38:41,330 --> 01:38:38,600
um in the back seat

2070
01:38:44,870 --> 01:38:41,340
and and then it turns out that there

2071
01:38:48,709 --> 01:38:44,880
were six and and so that's really not

2072
01:38:50,530 --> 01:38:48,719
the point but when I went back and

2073
01:38:53,930 --> 01:38:50,540
started to look at this historically

2074
01:38:57,290 --> 01:38:53,940
like Life Magazine where they show the

2075
01:38:59,570 --> 01:38:57,300
car right the car and they've got this

2076
01:39:02,270 --> 01:38:59,580
big double page spread of and that's a

2077
01:39:03,229 --> 01:39:02,280
four-seat limousine now is that a

2078
01:39:07,790 --> 01:39:03,239
mistake

2079
01:39:10,310 --> 01:39:07,800
know

2080
01:39:12,110 --> 01:39:10,320
um uh clearly so I went back and watched

2081
01:39:16,970 --> 01:39:12,120
the Zapruder film I was like oh there

2082
01:39:21,410 --> 01:39:16,980
was six why do I have this number four

2083
01:39:24,290 --> 01:39:21,420
in my head but back to the overarching

2084
01:39:26,870 --> 01:39:24,300
uh uh point that I'm trying to make here

2085
01:39:27,830 --> 01:39:26,880
is that we all have different memories

2086
01:39:30,470 --> 01:39:27,840
of this

2087
01:39:33,709 --> 01:39:30,480
right some people reported six shots

2088
01:39:36,229 --> 01:39:33,719
some said that they heard eight

2089
01:39:38,030 --> 01:39:36,239
um some say that they saw flashes of

2090
01:39:40,669 --> 01:39:38,040
smoke from under the underpass and

2091
01:39:42,649 --> 01:39:40,679
flashes of smoke uh from the grassy

2092
01:39:45,530 --> 01:39:42,659
knoll in the back thing

2093
01:39:47,870 --> 01:39:45,540
um some reported that there's all kinds

2094
01:39:49,250 --> 01:39:47,880
of the eyewitnesses that were across the

2095
01:39:50,870 --> 01:39:49,260
field

2096
01:39:53,750 --> 01:39:50,880
um that were looking at it from the

2097
01:39:57,709 --> 01:39:53,760
opposite direction they report a

2098
01:40:00,470 --> 01:39:57,719
completely different scenario than uh

2099
01:40:03,830 --> 01:40:00,480
what became the official version of this

2100
01:40:07,430 --> 01:40:03,840
which was the shots came from the

2101
01:40:09,610 --> 01:40:07,440
repository uh from Oswald and it's it's

2102
01:40:13,370 --> 01:40:09,620
like everybody's got a different version

2103
01:40:15,709 --> 01:40:13,380
of of this story right and memory now

2104
01:40:19,129 --> 01:40:15,719
and we've got it on film and it doesn't

2105
01:40:21,110 --> 01:40:19,139
match up with the official narrative you

2106
01:40:23,270 --> 01:40:21,120
know and that's that's my point you know

2107
01:40:25,729 --> 01:40:23,280
every witness that was there and it's a

2108
01:40:28,550 --> 01:40:25,739
small area has got a different version

2109
01:40:31,129 --> 01:40:28,560
of how the events went down don't they

2110
01:40:33,410 --> 01:40:31,139
they do and it was interesting this

2111
01:40:35,450 --> 01:40:33,420
military ex-military guy who was doing

2112
01:40:38,090 --> 01:40:35,460
the tour was talking about how Witnesses

2113
01:40:40,070 --> 01:40:38,100
are great but you just you need more

2114
01:40:41,149 --> 01:40:40,080
than eyewitness testimony can be really

2115
01:40:43,129 --> 01:40:41,159
tricky

2116
01:40:45,950 --> 01:40:43,139
first of all understand that you have a

2117
01:40:47,930 --> 01:40:45,960
couple things going on you have a

2118
01:40:49,729 --> 01:40:47,940
sensory overload

2119
01:40:51,530 --> 01:40:49,739
you're watching the present so there's

2120
01:40:53,270 --> 01:40:51,540
an excitement in the air

2121
01:40:56,390 --> 01:40:53,280
so you're watching the President and

2122
01:40:58,490 --> 01:40:56,400
Jackie come down you're focused on them

2123
01:40:59,450 --> 01:40:58,500
then all of a sudden you hear noise a

2124
01:41:01,370 --> 01:40:59,460
lot of people thought they were

2125
01:41:03,050 --> 01:41:01,380
firecrackers because in the in the human

2126
01:41:05,810 --> 01:41:03,060
mind you're thinking oh it's a happy

2127
01:41:08,990 --> 01:41:05,820
event firecrackers

2128
01:41:11,689 --> 01:41:09,000
and then it was wasn't firecrackers so

2129
01:41:14,270 --> 01:41:11,699
it was gunshots and then so everything

2130
01:41:16,189 --> 01:41:14,280
all of a sudden becomes insane

2131
01:41:19,189 --> 01:41:16,199
and when you realize what's going on

2132
01:41:20,750 --> 01:41:19,199
then trauma sets in right it's not

2133
01:41:23,930 --> 01:41:20,760
post-traumatic stress yet but it's

2134
01:41:27,530 --> 01:41:23,940
trauma in the moment so I interviewed a

2135
01:41:30,110 --> 01:41:27,540
girl who was 11 years old uh and she was

2136
01:41:33,770 --> 01:41:30,120
known as the girl in blue and she was on

2137
01:41:34,729 --> 01:41:33,780
a pedestal on the corner of Elmen

2138
01:41:37,070 --> 01:41:34,739
Houston

2139
01:41:39,410 --> 01:41:37,080
and she was focused on she all she

2140
01:41:42,109 --> 01:41:39,420
wanted to do was get either John or

2141
01:41:44,689 --> 01:41:42,119
Jackie or both to look at her to make

2142
01:41:46,310 --> 01:41:44,699
eye contacts an 11 year old girl and

2143
01:41:47,870 --> 01:41:46,320
she's in her school clothes she skipped

2144
01:41:50,270 --> 01:41:47,880
school that day she convinced her mom

2145
01:41:53,390 --> 01:41:50,280
after breakfast to take her so she did

2146
01:41:58,490 --> 01:41:53,400
that's why she's girl in blue blue skirt

2147
01:42:00,830 --> 01:41:58,500
and she went from she on on uh Houston

2148
01:42:02,450 --> 01:42:00,840
she thought for sure that Jackie and

2149
01:42:04,850 --> 01:42:02,460
John looked at her

2150
01:42:07,189 --> 01:42:04,860
and then they make the turn so she's the

2151
01:42:09,830 --> 01:42:07,199
happiest girl on the face of the Earth

2152
01:42:12,189 --> 01:42:09,840
five seconds later

2153
01:42:14,570 --> 01:42:12,199
trauma for the rest of her life

2154
01:42:16,609 --> 01:42:14,580
Horror Show

2155
01:42:19,250 --> 01:42:16,619
this is what people

2156
01:42:22,129 --> 01:42:19,260
went through so yeah and then you know

2157
01:42:25,550 --> 01:42:22,139
some people were ex-military so they had

2158
01:42:27,229 --> 01:42:25,560
a I know gunshots so as I I heard him

2159
01:42:29,810 --> 01:42:27,239
coming from the grassy knoll I heard him

2160
01:42:32,270 --> 01:42:29,820
come I heard six I heard there's no way

2161
01:42:35,030 --> 01:42:32,280
with everything that was going on that

2162
01:42:37,910 --> 01:42:35,040
in that moment like that that you can

2163
01:42:39,470 --> 01:42:37,920
really you know maybe be accurate about

2164
01:42:42,290 --> 01:42:39,480
things like that now you know you see

2165
01:42:44,090 --> 01:42:42,300
what you see right I think that's a big

2166
01:42:46,790 --> 01:42:44,100
deal all right if you see a puff of

2167
01:42:48,590 --> 01:42:46,800
smoke coming behind the grassy knoll and

2168
01:42:52,010 --> 01:42:48,600
which a lot of people did one or two

2169
01:42:54,109 --> 01:42:52,020
Puffs of smoke well that's telling

2170
01:42:55,910 --> 01:42:54,119
and it's not to say that there weren't

2171
01:42:57,830 --> 01:42:55,920
shots that came from the depository

2172
01:42:59,930 --> 01:42:57,840
there were a lot of people believe there

2173
01:43:02,090 --> 01:42:59,940
were other guys in there

2174
01:43:04,850 --> 01:43:02,100
um and that they they got Oswald the job

2175
01:43:07,430 --> 01:43:04,860
remember Oswald was given that job a

2176
01:43:09,530 --> 01:43:07,440
couple months before the assassination

2177
01:43:11,149 --> 01:43:09,540
so he's from New Orleans he's ordered to

2178
01:43:13,550 --> 01:43:11,159
go to Dallas he's ordered it to deal

2179
01:43:16,910 --> 01:43:13,560
with these Cuban Exiles and over time

2180
01:43:19,430 --> 01:43:16,920
Oswald realizes it's like

2181
01:43:20,990 --> 01:43:19,440
um okay this isn't good

2182
01:43:22,970 --> 01:43:21,000
and there's a lot of people and there's

2183
01:43:24,229 --> 01:43:22,980
a lot of evidence to sit towards this to

2184
01:43:27,950 --> 01:43:24,239
say that he tried to stop the

2185
01:43:30,109 --> 01:43:27,960
assassination not only in in Dallas

2186
01:43:32,689 --> 01:43:30,119
because he went to the FBI office and

2187
01:43:34,550 --> 01:43:32,699
wrote him a note and they disregarded it

2188
01:43:38,030 --> 01:43:34,560
and no one could find the note ever

2189
01:43:41,810 --> 01:43:38,040
after that and then also in Chicago

2190
01:43:43,790 --> 01:43:41,820
which was uh it was something was

2191
01:43:46,149 --> 01:43:43,800
supposed to happen in Chicago Oswald

2192
01:43:49,370 --> 01:43:46,159
found out about it and and the thing

2193
01:43:52,030 --> 01:43:49,380
they got the Chicago Field office got a

2194
01:43:55,250 --> 01:43:52,040
phone call from a guy named Lee

2195
01:43:56,330 --> 01:43:55,260
saying that there were Cuban Exiles and

2196
01:43:58,070 --> 01:43:56,340
others that were going to try an

2197
01:44:00,290 --> 01:43:58,080
assassination attempt when Kennedy was

2198
01:44:02,149 --> 01:44:00,300
in Chicago same kind of route right

2199
01:44:04,189 --> 01:44:02,159
motorcade

2200
01:44:06,590 --> 01:44:04,199
and they were and they stopped it they

2201
01:44:10,910 --> 01:44:06,600
called it off and it was so there were

2202
01:44:11,930 --> 01:44:10,920
motorcades in Chicago Tampa and uh

2203
01:44:14,450 --> 01:44:11,940
Dallas

2204
01:44:16,010 --> 01:44:14,460
and they had had to some extent

2205
01:44:17,689 --> 01:44:16,020
something set up in each of those cities

2206
01:44:22,070 --> 01:44:17,699
it all depended on where it all came

2207
01:44:24,530 --> 01:44:22,080
together yeah yeah I did uh I did uh I

2208
01:44:26,330 --> 01:44:24,540
didn't I didn't realize all of this uh I

2209
01:44:30,189 --> 01:44:26,340
did an episode for this on my TV show

2210
01:44:32,990 --> 01:44:30,199
for a History Channel and we talked to

2211
01:44:36,229 --> 01:44:33,000
uh uh different

2212
01:44:38,149 --> 01:44:36,239
I I guess I have witnesses or

2213
01:44:39,950 --> 01:44:38,159
participants in each one of the Cities

2214
01:44:42,649 --> 01:44:39,960
uh to be a part of the show and

2215
01:44:44,810 --> 01:44:42,659
interview them and I I didn't I didn't

2216
01:44:46,609 --> 01:44:44,820
realize that and when all of this

2217
01:44:49,370 --> 01:44:46,619
evidence was brought forward I thought

2218
01:44:51,530 --> 01:44:49,380
wow okay that was a that was an aspect

2219
01:44:53,149 --> 01:44:51,540
of this if it didn't happen in Dallas it

2220
01:44:54,649 --> 01:44:53,159
was going to happen in Chicago it was

2221
01:44:56,689 --> 01:44:54,659
going to happen

2222
01:44:59,149 --> 01:44:56,699
somewhere

2223
01:45:02,090 --> 01:44:59,159
um uh I want to go back to

2224
01:45:05,270 --> 01:45:02,100
um uh Oswald for a second

2225
01:45:07,970 --> 01:45:05,280
did he spoke Russian right didn't he

2226
01:45:09,169 --> 01:45:07,980
fluently if he was a fluent speaker of

2227
01:45:12,229 --> 01:45:09,179
Russian

2228
01:45:17,629 --> 01:45:12,239
um spent time in Moscow right

2229
01:45:20,450 --> 01:45:17,639
correct and um uh so how does here's

2230
01:45:23,450 --> 01:45:20,460
here here's the trippy thing about him

2231
01:45:25,850 --> 01:45:23,460
um multiple countries multiple cities

2232
01:45:28,370 --> 01:45:25,860
multiple jobs

2233
01:45:29,649 --> 01:45:28,380
um was uh obviously an intelligence

2234
01:45:33,770 --> 01:45:29,659
operative

2235
01:45:36,649 --> 01:45:33,780
you are not as just some normal guy

2236
01:45:39,470 --> 01:45:36,659
that's working as a janitor some or

2237
01:45:43,310 --> 01:45:39,480
whatever you know that you're talking

2238
01:45:46,850 --> 01:45:43,320
books right right right right

2239
01:45:48,830 --> 01:45:46,860
um uh uh an international Man of Mystery

2240
01:45:50,629 --> 01:45:48,840
Brent is like all these other operatives

2241
01:45:53,810 --> 01:45:50,639
it's like Fred that other guy Greg

2242
01:45:56,330 --> 01:45:53,820
grisman he he he I think it was Minsk

2243
01:45:59,270 --> 01:45:56,340
where he was but he here's the thing

2244
01:46:02,209 --> 01:45:59,280
about Oswald he went he defected

2245
01:46:04,550 --> 01:46:02,219
to the Soviet Union right but he

2246
01:46:07,070 --> 01:46:04,560
defected to the Soviet Union as part of

2247
01:46:09,109 --> 01:46:07,080
a false defection program right under

2248
01:46:10,090 --> 01:46:09,119
the direction of William Harvey from the

2249
01:46:12,649 --> 01:46:10,100
CIA

2250
01:46:14,330 --> 01:46:12,659
and they got these guys a lot who were

2251
01:46:18,169 --> 01:46:14,340
in the military station they had already

2252
01:46:20,330 --> 01:46:18,179
been involved in uh intelligence work uh

2253
01:46:21,590 --> 01:46:20,340
whether it was with the U2 spy planes

2254
01:46:23,390 --> 01:46:21,600
are with us some people what people

2255
01:46:25,070 --> 01:46:23,400
don't realize that Oswalt was a really

2256
01:46:28,490 --> 01:46:25,080
smart guy

2257
01:46:30,830 --> 01:46:28,500
and he spoke fluent Russian he's he he

2258
01:46:32,390 --> 01:46:30,840
spoke it so fluently that a lot of

2259
01:46:33,290 --> 01:46:32,400
people thought in Russia thought he was

2260
01:46:35,390 --> 01:46:33,300
Russian

2261
01:46:37,510 --> 01:46:35,400
and usually they know right away you can

2262
01:46:40,070 --> 01:46:37,520
speak Russian but you're not from Russia

2263
01:46:42,109 --> 01:46:40,080
it's one of the most difficult languages

2264
01:46:44,750 --> 01:46:42,119
uh to learn and speak if you're not

2265
01:46:46,790 --> 01:46:44,760
Russian you're not Russian you're not

2266
01:46:49,370 --> 01:46:46,800
Russian how good you speak it right

2267
01:46:50,870 --> 01:46:49,380
right exactly so Oswald goes there and

2268
01:46:53,689 --> 01:46:50,880
it was a false defective program it's

2269
01:46:55,250 --> 01:46:53,699
actually a double agent and then so

2270
01:46:57,950 --> 01:46:55,260
because here's what happens so he

2271
01:47:00,709 --> 01:46:57,960
decides to come back he he meets a girl

2272
01:47:03,530 --> 01:47:00,719
Marina marries a Russian girl

2273
01:47:04,729 --> 01:47:03,540
he then they get married have a kid I

2274
01:47:06,470 --> 01:47:04,739
want to come back to the United States

2275
01:47:08,209 --> 01:47:06,480
you don't think that they would have

2276
01:47:11,209 --> 01:47:08,219
detained him when he came back and

2277
01:47:13,129 --> 01:47:11,219
questioned him for three months of a guy

2278
01:47:14,450 --> 01:47:13,139
that defected and then came back as they

2279
01:47:16,729 --> 01:47:14,460
would have thought he was an agent for

2280
01:47:19,010 --> 01:47:16,739
the Soviet Union at that point in time

2281
01:47:20,750 --> 01:47:19,020
at 100 percent

2282
01:47:24,050 --> 01:47:20,760
nothing that was one of the most

2283
01:47:26,990 --> 01:47:24,060
difficult he defected man right he came

2284
01:47:29,270 --> 01:47:27,000
back easy no problem Marina got in no

2285
01:47:31,850 --> 01:47:29,280
problem yep they gave him money I mean

2286
01:47:34,490 --> 01:47:31,860
he was he was an intelligence agent you

2287
01:47:36,649 --> 01:47:34,500
know listen and and and this is so

2288
01:47:38,810 --> 01:47:36,659
obvious so one of the things and it is

2289
01:47:40,970 --> 01:47:38,820
important to mention this

2290
01:47:45,470 --> 01:47:40,980
one of the things that I try to do in

2291
01:47:47,990 --> 01:47:45,480
this book I did I knew I wasn't what

2292
01:47:50,270 --> 01:47:48,000
there was nothing I could do now that

2293
01:47:51,770 --> 01:47:50,280
we've had some Brave and courageous and

2294
01:47:54,350 --> 01:47:51,780
incredible researchers doing this

2295
01:47:55,910 --> 01:47:54,360
research for 50 years some of the people

2296
01:47:57,709 --> 01:47:55,920
at the conference are well into their

2297
01:47:59,930 --> 01:47:57,719
70s they've been doing this since the

2298
01:48:01,850 --> 01:47:59,940
70s even they were they were at the Clay

2299
01:48:05,590 --> 01:48:01,860
Shaw trial I mean I couldn't even

2300
01:48:10,850 --> 01:48:05,600
believe it right in New Orleans in 67.

2301
01:48:13,070 --> 01:48:10,860
68 68. Fred Christman was a witness at

2302
01:48:18,530 --> 01:48:13,080
that trial in New Orleans which is where

2303
01:48:21,410 --> 01:48:18,540
JFK uh trial takes place in in uh uh

2304
01:48:24,649 --> 01:48:21,420
Oliver yeah and there he shows up again

2305
01:48:26,870 --> 01:48:24,659
right like who the hell is this guy so

2306
01:48:28,609 --> 01:48:26,880
um anyway so what I knew I wasn't I I

2307
01:48:30,410 --> 01:48:28,619
wasn't going to try to solve the mystery

2308
01:48:31,850 --> 01:48:30,420
what I wanted to do was create more of a

2309
01:48:34,250 --> 01:48:31,860
people's history I wanted to interview

2310
01:48:36,410 --> 01:48:34,260
people who were somehow connected to it

2311
01:48:38,570 --> 01:48:36,420
in one way or the other and present this

2312
01:48:43,370 --> 01:48:38,580
broad kind of understanding this modern

2313
01:48:45,109 --> 01:48:43,380
day uh kind of uh uh understanding of

2314
01:48:47,450 --> 01:48:45,119
the the assassination and really why

2315
01:48:49,990 --> 01:48:47,460
it's still matter so with Oswald

2316
01:48:53,030 --> 01:48:50,000
what I wanted to do I wanted to create

2317
01:48:57,410 --> 01:48:53,040
context around Lee Harvey Oswald that

2318
01:49:00,530 --> 01:48:57,420
wasn't either a patsy or you know just a

2319
01:49:02,030 --> 01:49:00,540
patsy or just a lone nut assassin I

2320
01:49:04,430 --> 01:49:02,040
wanted to

2321
01:49:05,870 --> 01:49:04,440
gather some insight on him as a human

2322
01:49:07,790 --> 01:49:05,880
being

2323
01:49:09,709 --> 01:49:07,800
I thought that was really important for

2324
01:49:11,090 --> 01:49:09,719
people to understand get a better

2325
01:49:12,709 --> 01:49:11,100
understanding of this guy and that's why

2326
01:49:14,450 --> 01:49:12,719
there's certain people in the book that

2327
01:49:16,669 --> 01:49:14,460
knew him that I interviewed that knew

2328
01:49:19,490 --> 01:49:16,679
him one on an intimate level in New

2329
01:49:22,430 --> 01:49:19,500
Orleans and that was perhaps the most

2330
01:49:24,109 --> 01:49:22,440
fascinating thing I've ever experienced

2331
01:49:26,870 --> 01:49:24,119
was interviewing her and talking with

2332
01:49:30,609 --> 01:49:26,880
her but what comes out is that Oswald

2333
01:49:32,810 --> 01:49:30,619
was not this malcontent communicating

2334
01:49:35,750 --> 01:49:32,820
low nut

2335
01:49:40,189 --> 01:49:35,760
Oswald was a highly intelligent

2336
01:49:42,229 --> 01:49:40,199
U.S intelligence operative Patriot loved

2337
01:49:44,930 --> 01:49:42,239
Kennedy

2338
01:49:47,090 --> 01:49:44,940
was an Avid Reader had dyslexia he was

2339
01:49:48,950 --> 01:49:47,100
when when he you know as a kid he had

2340
01:49:50,990 --> 01:49:48,960
dyslexia and he taught himself to read

2341
01:49:53,689 --> 01:49:51,000
and he was an Avid Reader he'd read

2342
01:49:56,209 --> 01:49:53,699
constantly he was very well learned

2343
01:49:58,970 --> 01:49:56,219
and he was also very sensitive he loved

2344
01:50:00,590 --> 01:49:58,980
kids there's things that people just and

2345
01:50:02,149 --> 01:50:00,600
you know they betray him as this you

2346
01:50:04,609 --> 01:50:02,159
know lunatic they had to portray him as

2347
01:50:07,010 --> 01:50:04,619
a lone nut loan nut

2348
01:50:08,149 --> 01:50:07,020
right same you know it's always that you

2349
01:50:11,270 --> 01:50:08,159
know I always felt it was interesting

2350
01:50:13,550 --> 01:50:11,280
that all these assassins had three names

2351
01:50:16,129 --> 01:50:13,560
do you ever notice that I should totally

2352
01:50:18,229 --> 01:50:16,139
totally totally it's like it's not like

2353
01:50:21,830 --> 01:50:18,239
a psychological thing you know like

2354
01:50:24,350 --> 01:50:21,840
James Earl Ray okay all right you know

2355
01:50:27,229 --> 01:50:24,360
John Wilkes Booth yeah they just have

2356
01:50:28,370 --> 01:50:27,239
two names why don't they just have I

2357
01:50:30,169 --> 01:50:28,380
always thought that was weird but anyway

2358
01:50:32,209 --> 01:50:30,179
I digress I don't want to get in that's

2359
01:50:35,750 --> 01:50:32,219
just that could just be coincidence but

2360
01:50:38,149 --> 01:50:35,760
you know listen Oswald people need to

2361
01:50:40,970 --> 01:50:38,159
understand more about who Lee Harvey

2362
01:50:42,590 --> 01:50:40,980
Oswald really was

2363
01:50:45,350 --> 01:50:42,600
now

2364
01:50:46,669 --> 01:50:45,360
let's let's let's let's break this down

2365
01:50:48,229 --> 01:50:46,679
for a second

2366
01:50:55,870 --> 01:50:48,239
if

2367
01:50:58,729 --> 01:50:55,880
Lee Harvey Oswald did it by himself

2368
01:51:00,669 --> 01:50:58,739
why does Jack Ruby

2369
01:51:04,430 --> 01:51:00,679
kill him

2370
01:51:06,290 --> 01:51:04,440
if if if which goes back to the

2371
01:51:08,270 --> 01:51:06,300
documents and and what we know and all

2372
01:51:11,510 --> 01:51:08,280
the investigations in Congress and the

2373
01:51:12,310 --> 01:51:11,520
Senate and everything that was done all

2374
01:51:15,830 --> 01:51:12,320
right

2375
01:51:20,330 --> 01:51:15,840
if it was just one guy

2376
01:51:21,350 --> 01:51:20,340
what's the secret right if it was one

2377
01:51:23,330 --> 01:51:21,360
guy

2378
01:51:27,050 --> 01:51:23,340
Jack Ruby

2379
01:51:30,229 --> 01:51:27,060
at that point having access being

2380
01:51:34,310 --> 01:51:30,239
allowed there with a gun right live on

2381
01:51:35,990 --> 01:51:34,320
television and is able to shoot and kill

2382
01:51:37,430 --> 01:51:36,000
him

2383
01:51:38,570 --> 01:51:37,440
why

2384
01:51:41,810 --> 01:51:38,580
right

2385
01:51:43,729 --> 01:51:41,820
some people say and this is fairly valid

2386
01:51:44,750 --> 01:51:43,739
I guess you can say this some people say

2387
01:51:46,850 --> 01:51:44,760
that

2388
01:51:50,090 --> 01:51:46,860
um with Oswald

2389
01:51:51,770 --> 01:51:50,100
that he acted alone and they they had to

2390
01:51:54,950 --> 01:51:51,780
kill him because they didn't want people

2391
01:51:57,590 --> 01:51:54,960
to find out that he was actually a U.S

2392
01:52:00,709 --> 01:51:57,600
intelligent asset that was set up to be

2393
01:52:03,050 --> 01:52:00,719
a patsy or what that was I'm sorry he

2394
01:52:06,470 --> 01:52:03,060
was a U.S intelligent asset

2395
01:52:09,229 --> 01:52:06,480
that the CIA and the specifically the

2396
01:52:11,149 --> 01:52:09,239
FBI did not follow well enough and keep

2397
01:52:13,310 --> 01:52:11,159
tabs of

2398
01:52:16,010 --> 01:52:13,320
because he had come back from Cuba on

2399
01:52:18,350 --> 01:52:16,020
this thing right and this false Defector

2400
01:52:20,209 --> 01:52:18,360
programmer was a Defector and why the

2401
01:52:24,169 --> 01:52:20,219
heck was this guy roaming around Dallas

2402
01:52:26,450 --> 01:52:24,179
buying a gun so that maybe people say

2403
01:52:30,709 --> 01:52:26,460
that but it doesn't hold water because

2404
01:52:32,750 --> 01:52:30,719
Ruby again his is from what I hear from

2405
01:52:36,050 --> 01:52:32,760
researchers is that Oswald was supposed

2406
01:52:38,629 --> 01:52:36,060
to get killed at the theater

2407
01:52:40,070 --> 01:52:38,639
okay when that didn't happen when he

2408
01:52:42,350 --> 01:52:40,080
wasn't killed at the theater and they

2409
01:52:44,450 --> 01:52:42,360
actually took him into custody they

2410
01:52:46,129 --> 01:52:44,460
activated Oswald last minute it was like

2411
01:52:47,810 --> 01:52:46,139
Oz you know I'm sorry they activated

2412
01:52:49,209 --> 01:52:47,820
Ruby they said You Know Jack you got to

2413
01:52:50,930 --> 01:52:49,219
go in you got to do this it was a

2414
01:52:52,430 --> 01:52:50,940
self-sacrifice whatever it was they

2415
01:52:55,129 --> 01:52:52,440
might have had something on him who

2416
01:52:58,070 --> 01:52:55,139
knows Ruby goes in

2417
01:53:00,470 --> 01:52:58,080
and when when Lee Harvey Oswald comes

2418
01:53:02,510 --> 01:53:00,480
out of the door in the the basement of

2419
01:53:05,390 --> 01:53:02,520
the police station you're a horn honk I

2420
01:53:07,850 --> 01:53:05,400
never I never heard this before and and

2421
01:53:09,410 --> 01:53:07,860
I when you when they told me that you

2422
01:53:11,350 --> 01:53:09,420
realize you hear it you hear a hawk the

2423
01:53:13,970 --> 01:53:11,360
stink talk

2424
01:53:15,709 --> 01:53:13,980
root Oswald's coming

2425
01:53:19,010 --> 01:53:15,719
then right before he shot you hear

2426
01:53:20,090 --> 01:53:19,020
another honk [\h__\h] honk ha a car horn

2427
01:53:21,890 --> 01:53:20,100
honk

2428
01:53:24,709 --> 01:53:21,900
and is that shoot

2429
01:53:27,590 --> 01:53:24,719
that's the Kill Zone whatever

2430
01:53:29,270 --> 01:53:27,600
and Ruby comes and just I mean first of

2431
01:53:30,950 --> 01:53:29,280
all ruby walks right up to him and

2432
01:53:34,010 --> 01:53:30,960
shoots him in the stomach I mean there's

2433
01:53:36,350 --> 01:53:34,020
8 000 police officers there

2434
01:53:38,390 --> 01:53:36,360
yet Ruby is allowed in there allowed in

2435
01:53:40,729 --> 01:53:38,400
there had a gun on him but you know he

2436
01:53:42,709 --> 01:53:40,739
walks right up and just shoots him and

2437
01:53:44,510 --> 01:53:42,719
then and then the official narrative on

2438
01:53:47,570 --> 01:53:44,520
that is that Oswald I mean I'm sorry

2439
01:53:50,450 --> 01:53:47,580
Ruby was a fan of the Kennedys he loved

2440
01:53:53,810 --> 01:53:50,460
Jackie and he didn't want Jackie and the

2441
01:53:56,810 --> 01:53:53,820
JFK family to have to go through a trial

2442
01:53:58,790 --> 01:53:56,820
and so two years later he dies

2443
01:54:01,750 --> 01:53:58,800
of of cancer

2444
01:54:06,109 --> 01:54:01,760
right in the same hospital

2445
01:54:07,729 --> 01:54:06,119
and a very aggressive cancer

2446
01:54:09,950 --> 01:54:07,739
the same type that they were

2447
01:54:12,890 --> 01:54:09,960
experimenting on in New Orleans in the

2448
01:54:15,649 --> 01:54:12,900
summer of 63 with David Ferry and Dr

2449
01:54:18,169 --> 01:54:15,659
Mary Sherman and Judith Barry Baker and

2450
01:54:21,350 --> 01:54:18,179
Lee Harvey Oswald it was they were

2451
01:54:23,209 --> 01:54:21,360
weaponizing cancer to kill Castro and to

2452
01:54:25,550 --> 01:54:23,219
do it in a way that it was to get to

2453
01:54:27,709 --> 01:54:25,560
somehow get it in a cigar or get it into

2454
01:54:30,050 --> 01:54:27,719
him and it was a very aggressive cancer

2455
01:54:33,470 --> 01:54:30,060
and they were doing these experiments at

2456
01:54:36,470 --> 01:54:33,480
in New Orleans at Tulane University and

2457
01:54:38,330 --> 01:54:36,480
the CIA which the CIA had the CIA

2458
01:54:40,010 --> 01:54:38,340
infiltrated a lot of educational

2459
01:54:42,229 --> 01:54:40,020
institutions to do quote-unquote

2460
01:54:44,870 --> 01:54:42,239
research but what was that research for

2461
01:54:46,669 --> 01:54:44,880
it was cancer research oh yeah but on

2462
01:54:49,010 --> 01:54:46,679
the side the CIA is working on something

2463
01:54:50,689 --> 01:54:49,020
to weaponize cancer to kill Castro

2464
01:54:52,310 --> 01:54:50,699
because they were trying to kill Castro

2465
01:54:55,189 --> 01:54:52,320
eight ways to Sunday ever since the late

2466
01:54:57,410 --> 01:54:55,199
50s this is known this is not this is a

2467
01:54:59,030 --> 01:54:57,420
fact so yeah when you think about that

2468
01:55:01,430 --> 01:54:59,040
and then Ruby's dead and think about

2469
01:55:04,010 --> 01:55:01,440
what ruby said maybe he would say listen

2470
01:55:05,450 --> 01:55:04,020
if that you know he he spoke in a

2471
01:55:07,129 --> 01:55:05,460
strange way but he was like you know if

2472
01:55:09,350 --> 01:55:07,139
the people that did did this knew that

2473
01:55:11,390 --> 01:55:09,360
that it'll never come out they'll never

2474
01:55:13,490 --> 01:55:11,400
let it out and the situation I'm in and

2475
01:55:15,169 --> 01:55:13,500
so he's he thought he was speaking in

2476
01:55:17,030 --> 01:55:15,179
riddles but he's really saying is that

2477
01:55:20,030 --> 01:55:17,040
hey man you know

2478
01:55:22,790 --> 01:55:20,040
I'm I'm just as much I'm not a patsy I

2479
01:55:25,510 --> 01:55:22,800
did Kill Oswald but I'm I'm I'm I'm a

2480
01:55:29,450 --> 01:55:25,520
sacrificial lamb here he knew that yeah

2481
01:55:33,169 --> 01:55:29,460
he said that many times and

2482
01:55:35,629 --> 01:55:33,179
um the the whole it seemed like that

2483
01:55:37,910 --> 01:55:35,639
again I'm not I'm just like everybody

2484
01:55:39,770 --> 01:55:37,920
else I have access to the same

2485
01:55:41,149 --> 01:55:39,780
information I've seen the same film same

2486
01:55:44,209 --> 01:55:41,159
documentaries I've read the same books

2487
01:55:46,970 --> 01:55:44,219
yearbook and and and so forth

2488
01:55:52,490 --> 01:55:46,980
um I it is to me

2489
01:55:56,209 --> 01:55:52,500
so complicated and so planned and the

2490
01:55:59,030 --> 01:55:56,219
true definition of conspiracy which is

2491
01:56:01,070 --> 01:55:59,040
to more than two people conspired to

2492
01:56:04,970 --> 01:56:01,080
commit a crime right well this is this

2493
01:56:07,689 --> 01:56:04,980
is a a a a conspiracy and it's so

2494
01:56:11,390 --> 01:56:07,699
complicated and it's such a crazy mess

2495
01:56:13,609 --> 01:56:11,400
that first off Oswald didn't do it by

2496
01:56:15,410 --> 01:56:13,619
himself but second when you bring in

2497
01:56:18,609 --> 01:56:15,420
you know the basic stuff but you bring

2498
01:56:22,669 --> 01:56:18,619
in Jack Ruby is it because

2499
01:56:26,209 --> 01:56:22,679
Ruby knows he's friends he knows who

2500
01:56:28,729 --> 01:56:26,219
Oswald is and he knows that if Oswald

2501
01:56:30,970 --> 01:56:28,739
lives he's going to start talking and

2502
01:56:35,450 --> 01:56:30,980
this whole thing is gonna he cannot live

2503
01:56:37,490 --> 01:56:35,460
and really knows Ruby knows that he

2504
01:56:40,850 --> 01:56:37,500
knows things and he's not going to live

2505
01:56:44,390 --> 01:56:40,860
either right but that's it and two years

2506
01:56:48,050 --> 01:56:44,400
later he dies at Parkland Hospital where

2507
01:56:51,109 --> 01:56:48,060
Oswald died and what Trinity died the

2508
01:56:56,050 --> 01:56:51,119
three of them at the same time it's just

2509
01:57:01,910 --> 01:56:58,370
stupid here I don't want to sound like

2510
01:57:05,090 --> 01:57:01,920
some naive I just say this is what we're

2511
01:57:08,629 --> 01:57:05,100
and then you throw in Fred Chrisman and

2512
01:57:12,830 --> 01:57:08,639
everything and Alan Dulles and and LBJ

2513
01:57:15,129 --> 01:57:12,840
and the whole Eisenhower team from uh

2514
01:57:18,890 --> 01:57:15,139
the late 50s and

2515
01:57:22,189 --> 01:57:18,900
the mob and the Russians it's yeah

2516
01:57:24,350 --> 01:57:22,199
listen I what people ask at the end of

2517
01:57:26,649 --> 01:57:24,360
the book I don't I don't say anything

2518
01:57:29,810 --> 01:57:26,659
definitively about anybody or anything

2519
01:57:30,950 --> 01:57:29,820
but when people ask me now who killed

2520
01:57:36,669 --> 01:57:30,960
Kennedy

2521
01:57:40,490 --> 01:57:36,679
say the Cold War and its cold Warriors

2522
01:57:43,250 --> 01:57:40,500
killed Kennedy and that's true it was

2523
01:57:44,750 --> 01:57:43,260
the times in which Kennedy governed that

2524
01:57:46,729 --> 01:57:44,760
got him killed

2525
01:57:48,890 --> 01:57:46,739
and he was trying to change things that

2526
01:57:50,270 --> 01:57:48,900
for the better people don't even know

2527
01:57:52,010 --> 01:57:50,280
the tip of the iceberg or the things

2528
01:57:53,990 --> 01:57:52,020
Kennedy was trying to do they taught

2529
01:57:57,470 --> 01:57:54,000
with the Soviet Union and Khrushchev

2530
01:57:59,870 --> 01:57:57,480
joint space program no soldiers in

2531
01:58:03,350 --> 01:57:59,880
Vietnam out of Vietnam by the end of 64

2532
01:58:06,129 --> 01:58:03,360
period he had McNamara working on it

2533
01:58:09,649 --> 01:58:06,139
this was the plan

2534
01:58:12,050 --> 01:58:09,659
oh man I forgot about the McNamara angle

2535
01:58:13,850 --> 01:58:12,060
yeah you're right about that so you know

2536
01:58:15,709 --> 01:58:13,860
it was all these things you know and and

2537
01:58:17,870 --> 01:58:15,719
it's just when you when you look at it

2538
01:58:20,990 --> 01:58:17,880
all you realize in the end it was these

2539
01:58:23,089 --> 01:58:21,000
guys former OSS

2540
01:58:26,510 --> 01:58:23,099
World War II vets

2541
01:58:29,990 --> 01:58:26,520
elitist ivy league educated Yale Harvard

2542
01:58:32,570 --> 01:58:30,000
Blue Bloods who ran the country whose

2543
01:58:34,550 --> 01:58:32,580
families were incredibly prominent way

2544
01:58:36,890 --> 01:58:34,560
more so than the than the upstart

2545
01:58:39,290 --> 01:58:36,900
Catholic Kennedys

2546
01:58:43,310 --> 01:58:39,300
who were never accepted in the adelite

2547
01:58:45,169 --> 01:58:43,320
waspy blue blood World never

2548
01:58:47,229 --> 01:58:45,179
right even though those people were just

2549
01:58:50,149 --> 01:58:47,239
as much criminals as Joe Kennedy was

2550
01:58:53,629 --> 01:58:50,159
right everybody wants to talk about

2551
01:58:55,669 --> 01:58:53,639
James Forrestal and uh

2552
01:58:58,270 --> 01:58:55,679
um here it is for God's sake say

2553
01:59:00,709 --> 01:58:58,280
something about James Forrester

2554
01:59:04,250 --> 01:59:00,719
well again that's the connection of the

2555
01:59:06,530 --> 01:59:04,260
UFO stuff but Kennedy uh I want to say

2556
01:59:08,270 --> 01:59:06,540
Kennedy not only knew Forrestal but he

2557
01:59:10,430 --> 01:59:08,280
went to visit him

2558
01:59:11,930 --> 01:59:10,440
I want to say in the hospital or

2559
01:59:14,510 --> 01:59:11,940
something like that he knew I mean

2560
01:59:16,790 --> 01:59:14,520
listen Eisenhower and Kennedy had to

2561
01:59:19,729 --> 01:59:16,800
interact

2562
01:59:22,250 --> 01:59:19,739
right if if for no other reason from a

2563
01:59:25,250 --> 01:59:22,260
transitional standpoint

2564
01:59:26,810 --> 01:59:25,260
so what was Eisenhower telling Kennedy

2565
01:59:28,189 --> 01:59:26,820
and what was he not telling Kennedy what

2566
01:59:31,790 --> 01:59:28,199
did Kennedy want to know about

2567
01:59:34,669 --> 01:59:31,800
Eisenhower and what he knew

2568
01:59:37,669 --> 01:59:34,679
right and so yeah now a lot of that

2569
01:59:40,430 --> 01:59:37,679
speculation it really is because we know

2570
01:59:42,350 --> 01:59:40,440
I think very little about that but

2571
01:59:44,450 --> 01:59:42,360
there's always a connection because

2572
01:59:46,609 --> 01:59:44,460
again it was all part of it like even I

2573
01:59:49,430 --> 01:59:46,619
I that was still the Cold War Eisenhower

2574
01:59:51,890 --> 01:59:49,440
was a cold war if there were UFOs in the

2575
01:59:53,750 --> 01:59:51,900
Skies over missile nuclear missile bases

2576
01:59:56,930 --> 01:59:53,760
in the 1950s

2577
01:59:59,030 --> 01:59:56,940
right you don't think that I mean that's

2578
02:00:00,589 --> 01:59:59,040
all part of the Cold War I mean we we

2579
02:00:01,850 --> 02:00:00,599
had to make sure it wasn't the Russians

2580
02:00:04,490 --> 02:00:01,860
the Russians had to make sure it wasn't

2581
02:00:06,830 --> 02:00:04,500
us and were their crashed UFOs and if

2582
02:00:08,750 --> 02:00:06,840
they crashed Who's Back engineering what

2583
02:00:12,830 --> 02:00:08,760
kind of technology and if there are

2584
02:00:14,450 --> 02:00:12,840
treaties who's getting what technology

2585
02:00:16,189 --> 02:00:14,460
so who knew that all that you know this

2586
02:00:19,390 --> 02:00:16,199
is part of that whole Cold War mentality

2587
02:00:23,030 --> 02:00:19,400
is we better get it before the Russians

2588
02:00:25,310 --> 02:00:23,040
yeah okay it was on both sides too as

2589
02:00:27,709 --> 02:00:25,320
well I mean it was misinformation

2590
02:00:31,609 --> 02:00:27,719
disinformation

2591
02:00:34,430 --> 02:00:31,619
um UFOs uh especially at that time that

2592
02:00:36,109 --> 02:00:34,440
was a great cover

2593
02:00:38,209 --> 02:00:36,119
um not it's not to say that there wasn't

2594
02:00:41,750 --> 02:00:38,219
actual ETS in the sky I'm not

2595
02:00:44,330 --> 02:00:41,760
insinuating that but as long as the

2596
02:00:47,330 --> 02:00:44,340
public and the media was hyping up UFOs

2597
02:00:49,729 --> 02:00:47,340
it was a cover for everything that we

2598
02:00:51,589 --> 02:00:49,739
were running Secret at that time and it

2599
02:00:53,209 --> 02:00:51,599
was the same thing for the Russians and

2600
02:00:55,910 --> 02:00:53,219
as long as we could have the Russians

2601
02:00:59,089 --> 02:00:55,920
think that it was UFOs and not us that's

2602
02:01:00,950 --> 02:00:59,099
a great story let's keep that running I

2603
02:01:03,050 --> 02:01:00,960
I totally agree and it was the same

2604
02:01:04,490 --> 02:01:03,060
thing out of out of Europe and out of

2605
02:01:08,450 --> 02:01:04,500
Russia

2606
02:01:12,649 --> 02:01:08,460
um if you could keep the UFO uh

2607
02:01:14,450 --> 02:01:12,659
um uh cover story or excuse in the media

2608
02:01:16,729 --> 02:01:14,460
and in the public eye then you're

2609
02:01:19,010 --> 02:01:16,739
diverting the attention from the stuff

2610
02:01:20,629 --> 02:01:19,020
that you need to keep Secret

2611
02:01:22,430 --> 02:01:20,639
yeah and again I agree with you we're

2612
02:01:24,169 --> 02:01:22,440
not saying I mean there were UFOs over

2613
02:01:25,790 --> 02:01:24,179
missile bases doing these things that

2614
02:01:28,310 --> 02:01:25,800
they were UFOs they were flying at

2615
02:01:29,870 --> 02:01:28,320
speeds we knew the gut we knew we had to

2616
02:01:32,930 --> 02:01:29,880
check it out right you have radar

2617
02:01:35,330 --> 02:01:32,940
operators well these craft are going 10

2618
02:01:36,770 --> 02:01:35,340
000 miles an hour well we know the

2619
02:01:38,689 --> 02:01:36,780
Russians don't have anything we don't

2620
02:01:40,430 --> 02:01:38,699
have anything close to that so we they

2621
02:01:43,310 --> 02:01:40,440
that was another national security

2622
02:01:45,709 --> 02:01:43,320
threat so you have the Russians as a

2623
02:01:47,890 --> 02:01:45,719
national security threat you have UFOs

2624
02:01:51,169 --> 02:01:47,900
as a national security threat

2625
02:01:53,930 --> 02:01:51,179
and so then you have all all what goes

2626
02:01:56,510 --> 02:01:53,940
with that during the Cold War the Cold

2627
02:01:58,370 --> 02:01:56,520
War do you have UFOs and then you have

2628
02:01:59,990 --> 02:01:58,380
UFOs after the Cold War but during the

2629
02:02:03,410 --> 02:02:00,000
Cold War they were just an added element

2630
02:02:07,070 --> 02:02:03,420
of to the Cold War add that to this

2631
02:02:09,050 --> 02:02:07,080
paranoia of the Cold War yeah we did a

2632
02:02:10,450 --> 02:02:09,060
whole film on this Jack I don't know if

2633
02:02:13,550 --> 02:02:10,460
you remembered

2634
02:02:15,350 --> 02:02:13,560
well yeah exactly no I know exactly

2635
02:02:18,290 --> 02:02:15,360
right we've we that's what we're talking

2636
02:02:20,089 --> 02:02:18,300
about here right full film on this

2637
02:02:23,330 --> 02:02:20,099
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2638
02:02:25,010 --> 02:02:23,340
ordinary the revelations like right here

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this is Fade to Black with Jimmy Church

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on the game changer Radio Network

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[Music]

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Welcome Back Fade to block I'm your

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assuming church tonight Jack Roth is

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with us

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film producer journalist author

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and his new book is out it is called

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Killing Kennedy and the links for the

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book are below and you can go to Amazon

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and and uh pick up a copy of it it is a

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great read and today is November 22nd

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the anniversary of uh the assassination

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of John F Kennedy dealy Plaza in Dallas

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Texas

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um and I want to take uh we've got uh

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two segments left you're going to be

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doing overtime tonight by the way uh uh

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just I'm giving you the heads up on on

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02:06:46,250 --> 02:06:43,320
that right now

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um is as you

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um

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uh Oliver Stone just released another

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documentary right on on champion

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and I I watched it

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02:07:03,169 --> 02:06:59,099
and I you can't help but come away from

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02:07:06,229 --> 02:07:03,179
that without I mean not you don't have

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02:07:09,790 --> 02:07:06,239
to the conclusion that you draw

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02:07:12,770 --> 02:07:09,800
is that this is complex and it's wide

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02:07:13,910 --> 02:07:12,780
and there were you know potential you

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02:07:17,810 --> 02:07:13,920
know hundreds of people that were

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02:07:22,189 --> 02:07:17,820
involved in this and you get into

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02:07:23,810 --> 02:07:22,199
um uh other aspects of this which is who

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02:07:27,169 --> 02:07:23,820
was up and down the stairs in that

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02:07:29,570 --> 02:07:27,179
building who saw who uh who were the who

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02:07:31,669 --> 02:07:29,580
saw who saw who exit How would how were

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02:07:32,930 --> 02:07:31,679
things able to happen uh the way that

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they did

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um there was there's that part of it and

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02:07:39,649 --> 02:07:37,679
the Escape Plan and then you get into

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02:07:42,050 --> 02:07:39,659
the other side you know what was going

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02:07:44,149 --> 02:07:42,060
down on the street and then uh the

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02:07:46,149 --> 02:07:44,159
Motions of of things all the way through

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02:07:49,250 --> 02:07:46,159
Dallas uh to the movie theater

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02:07:51,890 --> 02:07:49,260
ultimately a couple of days later you

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02:07:55,550 --> 02:07:51,900
know Jack Ruby uh you know killing

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02:07:58,250 --> 02:07:55,560
Oswald before anybody uh could do

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02:08:01,370 --> 02:07:58,260
anything about it and and it wasn't um

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02:08:04,790 --> 02:08:01,380
didn't Lee Harvey have a black eye right

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02:08:07,669 --> 02:08:04,800
you know so he's so anyway so you have

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02:08:09,649 --> 02:08:07,679
all of these things and and you as a

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02:08:12,229 --> 02:08:09,659
journalist and and going through these

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02:08:12,830 --> 02:08:12,239
interviews and and writing this book

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02:08:16,149 --> 02:08:12,840
um

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02:08:21,950 --> 02:08:16,159
uh what do you

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02:08:23,089 --> 02:08:21,960
uh assuming now right do you uh take a

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02:08:24,830 --> 02:08:23,099
look at this and go you know what I've

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02:08:27,290 --> 02:08:24,840
got a pretty good bead on this I've got

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02:08:29,450 --> 02:08:27,300
a good read on this I'm going in this

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02:08:35,169 --> 02:08:29,460
direction have you yourself

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02:08:41,510 --> 02:08:38,149
yes and but I hesitate

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02:08:43,970 --> 02:08:41,520
um I come to my own conclusions but I

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02:08:46,790 --> 02:08:43,980
leave room for because like you said you

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asked will we ever really know like will

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02:08:51,410 --> 02:08:49,500
we know who is in the sewer will we know

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02:08:53,450 --> 02:08:51,420
who is behind the grassy knoll do we

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02:08:55,850 --> 02:08:53,460
know exactly who gave the order to kill

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02:08:57,169 --> 02:08:55,860
Kennedy the answer to that is no we'll

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02:08:59,390 --> 02:08:57,179
never know that

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but what you do is you take all the

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02:09:03,589 --> 02:09:01,139
evidence you have all the research the

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02:09:05,890 --> 02:09:03,599
good research that's been conducted and

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02:09:09,950 --> 02:09:05,900
you try to come up with a

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02:09:12,709 --> 02:09:09,960
pretty well informed kind of opinion

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02:09:15,050 --> 02:09:12,719
that's you know based on that that you

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02:09:17,450 --> 02:09:15,060
you have no problem sharing with others

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02:09:19,189 --> 02:09:17,460
and I feel yes I am at that point I I

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02:09:21,530 --> 02:09:19,199
felt like I I had done a lot of JFK

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02:09:23,510 --> 02:09:21,540
research before and by the way I did

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02:09:25,910 --> 02:09:23,520
watch that documentary before I left for

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02:09:28,430 --> 02:09:25,920
Dallas uh because it was part of q a

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02:09:30,709 --> 02:09:28,440
discussion that I was part of but like

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and it was fantastic I thought it went

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02:09:34,510 --> 02:09:33,599
again dug even deeper I was like oh my

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God

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02:09:40,189 --> 02:09:37,739
Stones not Oliver Stones yes what is it

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called Destiny JFK Destiny betrayed or

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02:09:45,050 --> 02:09:42,179
something like that it was really good

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02:09:47,750 --> 02:09:45,060
and uh I watched it back to back

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02:09:49,390 --> 02:09:47,760
actually I I finished it and I went you

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02:09:52,189 --> 02:09:49,400
know what wait a minute here

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02:09:53,390 --> 02:09:52,199
too much to unpack

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um

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02:09:57,649 --> 02:09:56,340
right really well done and so I turned

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around and watched it a second time but

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yeah continue

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02:10:03,770 --> 02:10:01,739
no and that's the thing there's so I

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02:10:05,270 --> 02:10:03,780
interviewed researchers and I was now I

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02:10:07,250 --> 02:10:05,280
knew I was never going to do this they

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02:10:09,109 --> 02:10:07,260
again for years and years and they focus

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on there's a Pruder film where they

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02:10:15,109 --> 02:10:12,659
focus on the gun the acoustic analysis

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02:10:17,149 --> 02:10:15,119
or they focus on the autopsy or they

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02:10:20,890 --> 02:10:17,159
focus on the movement of the body from

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02:10:23,750 --> 02:10:20,900
Parkland to to you know DC to

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02:10:25,490 --> 02:10:23,760
with the coffin and so they focus on

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02:10:27,649 --> 02:10:25,500
specific things and there's so much to

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02:10:30,830 --> 02:10:27,659
it and like you said there seems to be

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02:10:32,570 --> 02:10:30,840
hundreds of people involved but what I

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02:10:35,209 --> 02:10:32,580
wanted to do with the book is get again

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02:10:37,850 --> 02:10:35,219
the idea of a people's history and and

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02:10:41,330 --> 02:10:37,860
the themes that kept coming up

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02:10:43,669 --> 02:10:41,340
for me were why it still matters

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02:10:46,430 --> 02:10:43,679
would have been the Ripple effects

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02:10:49,250 --> 02:10:46,440
what what Young what the younger

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02:10:51,109 --> 02:10:49,260
Generations need to understand about the

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Kennedy assassination

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and these kinds of themes that kept

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02:10:58,490 --> 02:10:56,280
coming up and I wanted to make it's a

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little more emotional than some of the

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02:11:03,770 --> 02:11:00,780
other books that get into the details of

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The Who and that and the how

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02:11:09,050 --> 02:11:06,360
and even the why this is more about

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02:11:10,790 --> 02:11:09,060
people who have dedicated their lives or

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02:11:13,669 --> 02:11:10,800
experienced it or their lives have been

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02:11:16,129 --> 02:11:13,679
affected by it or they knew Oswald and

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02:11:17,990 --> 02:11:16,139
had a certain you know based opinion

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02:11:20,810 --> 02:11:18,000
based on knowing him

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02:11:22,129 --> 02:11:20,820
and it became more emotional every one

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02:11:24,229 --> 02:11:22,139
of the interviews I did in this book

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02:11:26,390 --> 02:11:24,239
became way more emotional than I thought

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02:11:28,370 --> 02:11:26,400
they were going to be and that includes

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02:11:31,129 --> 02:11:28,380
Saint like for example Saint John Hunt

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02:11:34,490 --> 02:11:31,139
who's son of e Howard hunt of Watergate

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02:11:36,530 --> 02:11:34,500
burglary Fame St John's a super nice guy

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02:11:40,609 --> 02:11:36,540
and an incredible it's just a really

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02:11:42,709 --> 02:11:40,619
cool guy and but he was forever affected

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02:11:44,689 --> 02:11:42,719
negatively by the fact that his father

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02:11:46,430 --> 02:11:44,699
was in the CIA and everything that

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02:11:48,890 --> 02:11:46,440
happened and I spoke to four people

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02:11:50,870 --> 02:11:48,900
whose fathers were in the CIA during

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02:11:53,149 --> 02:11:50,880
this time during that part of the Cold

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02:11:54,770 --> 02:11:53,159
War and every one of them was like it

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02:11:58,010 --> 02:11:54,780
affected us it affected the entire

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02:12:00,229 --> 02:11:58,020
family you know Saint John and and

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02:12:02,149 --> 02:12:00,239
people like St John and Peter Janney

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02:12:04,850 --> 02:12:02,159
whose father was Worcester Janny who was

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02:12:06,229 --> 02:12:04,860
a high up in the CIA they were they were

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02:12:08,990 --> 02:12:06,239
talked about how their mothers and

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02:12:10,550 --> 02:12:09,000
fathers were raging alcoholics and the

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02:12:11,870 --> 02:12:10,560
reason they were alcoholics because they

2852
02:12:14,209 --> 02:12:11,880
were having to make these horrible

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02:12:16,129 --> 02:12:14,219
decisions every day the the fathers were

2854
02:12:18,770 --> 02:12:16,139
right they were doing these things and

2855
02:12:20,330 --> 02:12:18,780
how do you how do you justify that you

2856
02:12:22,310 --> 02:12:20,340
drink that's what people did back then

2857
02:12:26,330 --> 02:12:22,320
they didn't do cocaine they didn't do

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02:12:28,250 --> 02:12:26,340
they drank people drank so they and then

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02:12:31,189 --> 02:12:28,260
and the effects it had on the kids and

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02:12:33,589 --> 02:12:31,199
if it was like the CIA family and on the

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02:12:35,330 --> 02:12:33,599
surface it's the blue blood they all

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02:12:37,129 --> 02:12:35,340
lived in Georgetown they all lived in

2863
02:12:38,990 --> 02:12:37,139
these beautiful areas right and these

2864
02:12:41,629 --> 02:12:39,000
you know and they all were ivy league

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02:12:43,910 --> 02:12:41,639
educated the top education money could

2866
02:12:45,830 --> 02:12:43,920
buy and they had a lot of money and

2867
02:12:47,510 --> 02:12:45,840
their dads were spies right they would

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02:12:48,770 --> 02:12:47,520
go see James Bond movies because that

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02:12:52,189 --> 02:12:48,780
was Dad

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02:12:54,470 --> 02:12:52,199
and then reality sets in the reality of

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02:12:56,149 --> 02:12:54,480
what they were doing sets in and the

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02:12:58,129 --> 02:12:56,159
cost of that

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02:12:59,810 --> 02:12:58,139
and that's what I wanted to capture in

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02:13:01,550 --> 02:12:59,820
this book and I wanted to take a look at

2875
02:13:03,589 --> 02:13:01,560
a psychological perspective and a

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02:13:05,750 --> 02:13:03,599
philosophical perspective on the

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02:13:07,790 --> 02:13:05,760
assassination because that's what's

2878
02:13:10,010 --> 02:13:07,800
important now isn't it and Jimmy you and

2879
02:13:11,390 --> 02:13:10,020
I can sit here and we and it's such a

2880
02:13:13,430 --> 02:13:11,400
great conversation right who do you

2881
02:13:16,189 --> 02:13:13,440
think was like why you know in the mob

2882
02:13:18,169 --> 02:13:16,199
and you know what about Alan Dulles and

2883
02:13:19,609 --> 02:13:18,179
what was Oswald you know all these

2884
02:13:21,950 --> 02:13:19,619
really cool things and that's what makes

2885
02:13:24,649 --> 02:13:21,960
it such an incredible moment in American

2886
02:13:26,689 --> 02:13:24,659
history and an incredible murder mystery

2887
02:13:29,209 --> 02:13:26,699
to talk about but

2888
02:13:31,490 --> 02:13:29,219
in the end it's about human beings

2889
02:13:33,709 --> 02:13:31,500
and there were so many people affected

2890
02:13:34,609 --> 02:13:33,719
by it and and not only on an individual

2891
02:13:40,790 --> 02:13:34,619
level

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02:13:43,250 --> 02:13:40,800
we're wounded as a country

2893
02:13:46,010 --> 02:13:43,260
it's there's this black stain over all

2894
02:13:48,589 --> 02:13:46,020
of us and when you're in Dealey Plaza

2895
02:13:52,149 --> 02:13:48,599
I saw it I could literally I almost felt

2896
02:13:56,450 --> 02:13:52,159
it was palpable this horrible

2897
02:14:01,430 --> 02:13:56,460
stain on us as a country where we could

2898
02:14:04,250 --> 02:14:01,440
never be that great country again until

2899
02:14:06,530 --> 02:14:04,260
this was somehow

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02:14:09,290 --> 02:14:06,540
that we came to terms with what this

2901
02:14:11,450 --> 02:14:09,300
really was and get past it as a country

2902
02:14:13,970 --> 02:14:11,460
instead of with all the cover-up and the

2903
02:14:17,830 --> 02:14:13,980
lies same with the UFOs lying lying

2904
02:14:20,089 --> 02:14:17,840
cover-up cover-up murder murder

2905
02:14:23,510 --> 02:14:20,099
intimidation fear

2906
02:14:32,089 --> 02:14:28,189
here now looking back I mean for me

2907
02:14:35,930 --> 02:14:32,099
personally when you look back I think

2908
02:14:38,270 --> 02:14:35,940
that the 50s I I don't know about time

2909
02:14:40,310 --> 02:14:38,280
travel or any of that but you know what

2910
02:14:42,109 --> 02:14:40,320
if I could go back I wouldn't go back to

2911
02:14:43,850 --> 02:14:42,119
the 1800s I wouldn't go back to the

2912
02:14:46,370 --> 02:14:43,860
Middle Ages I wouldn't go back to Egypt

2913
02:14:50,689 --> 02:14:46,380
I wouldn't do any of that too much

2914
02:14:53,510 --> 02:14:50,699
disease and pestilence for me but but

2915
02:14:56,930 --> 02:14:53,520
you know what the 50s

2916
02:15:00,410 --> 02:14:56,940
in the 60s pretty awesome times right

2917
02:15:03,470 --> 02:15:00,420
pretty awesome times and so you look

2918
02:15:06,290 --> 02:15:03,480
back now with the lens that we have

2919
02:15:09,350 --> 02:15:06,300
today in this messed up 2022 that we're

2920
02:15:12,649 --> 02:15:09,360
living and and you you look back and

2921
02:15:17,270 --> 02:15:12,659
what what John F Kennedy and Jackie

2922
02:15:21,709 --> 02:15:17,280
represented and and how the country the

2923
02:15:25,850 --> 02:15:21,719
country and the world looked at him and

2924
02:15:27,530 --> 02:15:25,860
them as a couple and as you know uh the

2925
02:15:30,649 --> 02:15:27,540
the president of the United States and

2926
02:15:33,290 --> 02:15:30,659
this thing it was dude it was the look

2927
02:15:35,089 --> 02:15:33,300
it was the fashion it was the thing it

2928
02:15:38,870 --> 02:15:35,099
was the image it was the way that he

2929
02:15:41,930 --> 02:15:38,880
spoke and and and and the the rebel

2930
02:15:43,669 --> 02:15:41,940
aspect of of his approach to things

2931
02:15:45,530 --> 02:15:43,679
going to space and we're going to do

2932
02:15:47,810 --> 02:15:45,540
this not because it's easy because it's

2933
02:15:49,910 --> 02:15:47,820
hard and and the military industrial

2934
02:15:52,850 --> 02:15:49,920
capital of these speeches the the chain

2935
02:15:57,109 --> 02:15:52,860
you know and what they write it was dude

2936
02:15:58,910 --> 02:15:57,119
it was awesome some right and so him

2937
02:16:02,930 --> 02:15:58,920
taken

2938
02:16:05,510 --> 02:16:02,940
in that fashion uh from the country at

2939
02:16:07,990 --> 02:16:05,520
that moment I can't imagine the Cuban

2940
02:16:10,850 --> 02:16:08,000
Missile Crisis right and and and and and

2941
02:16:13,970 --> 02:16:10,860
him riding through that and standing up

2942
02:16:15,950 --> 02:16:13,980
against uh uh to Khrushchev and and the

2943
02:16:18,169 --> 02:16:15,960
Soviet Union we had nuclear missiles man

2944
02:16:20,569 --> 02:16:18,179
in Cuba right off the coast of the

2945
02:16:24,830 --> 02:16:20,579
United States we were at the brink of

2946
02:16:27,850 --> 02:16:24,840
right the crate and and he was taken uh

2947
02:16:32,150 --> 02:16:27,860
from from this country I can't imagine

2948
02:16:34,429 --> 02:16:32,160
uh What uh what the country went through

2949
02:16:37,250 --> 02:16:34,439
um most of

2950
02:16:38,929 --> 02:16:37,260
um I mean everybody involved at that

2951
02:16:40,669 --> 02:16:38,939
time they're all dead

2952
02:16:43,910 --> 02:16:40,679
right they're all dead everybody's dead

2953
02:16:47,089 --> 02:16:43,920
everybody said nobody's uh nobody's 150

2954
02:16:49,250 --> 02:16:47,099
years old okay they're all dead

2955
02:16:53,629 --> 02:16:49,260
um so there's that part

2956
02:16:56,990 --> 02:16:53,639
um those that were alive uh that are

2957
02:16:59,389 --> 02:16:57,000
still alive today you have to be 65 70

2958
02:17:01,910 --> 02:16:59,399
years old today

2959
02:17:05,750 --> 02:17:01,920
um to go back that means you were five

2960
02:17:09,410 --> 02:17:05,760
ten years old you were a kid so any of

2961
02:17:12,349 --> 02:17:09,420
the adults in the room 30 35 40 years

2962
02:17:15,469 --> 02:17:12,359
old They're All Dead all right we don't

2963
02:17:18,709 --> 02:17:15,479
know we only have the historical

2964
02:17:22,009 --> 02:17:18,719
narrative uh to go on and I it must have

2965
02:17:23,570 --> 02:17:22,019
been a wonderful time crazy time but a

2966
02:17:29,089 --> 02:17:23,580
wonderful time for the country and to

2967
02:17:31,310 --> 02:17:29,099
have JFK uh taken I just I I I I I don't

2968
02:17:34,070 --> 02:17:31,320
know what the country went through now I

2969
02:17:37,730 --> 02:17:34,080
posed a question in the chat room

2970
02:17:40,070 --> 02:17:37,740
I said who killed Kennedy right and I

2971
02:17:41,929 --> 02:17:40,080
did this a few minutes ago

2972
02:17:46,610 --> 02:17:41,939
um I wanted to run I'm just going to go

2973
02:17:49,750 --> 02:17:46,620
past these uh in Rapid Fire succession

2974
02:17:53,690 --> 02:17:49,760
um here we got Jackie got to kill shot

2975
02:17:57,250 --> 02:17:53,700
let's talk about this for a second

2976
02:18:01,730 --> 02:17:57,260
I have a friend great researcher

2977
02:18:03,230 --> 02:18:01,740
that uh insists that the kill shot came

2978
02:18:07,610 --> 02:18:03,240
from within the car

2979
02:18:10,429 --> 02:18:07,620
right and uh going over this and over

2980
02:18:14,589 --> 02:18:10,439
this and over this with me and I'm like

2981
02:18:18,530 --> 02:18:14,599
ah but there are some out there like

2982
02:18:21,110 --> 02:18:18,540
Brian is that Connelly

2983
02:18:22,790 --> 02:18:21,120
um that Jackie got the kill shot this is

2984
02:18:26,750 --> 02:18:22,800
a conspiracy theory that's been out

2985
02:18:31,190 --> 02:18:28,969
listen

2986
02:18:32,629 --> 02:18:31,200
you know I said when before the show and

2987
02:18:34,310 --> 02:18:32,639
one of the things I wanted to make sure

2988
02:18:36,950 --> 02:18:34,320
in the in the introduction of the book

2989
02:18:39,889 --> 02:18:36,960
was that not all conspiracy theories are

2990
02:18:42,830 --> 02:18:39,899
created equal right you have every right

2991
02:18:46,570 --> 02:18:42,840
to think that Jackie Kennedy killed him

2992
02:18:51,469 --> 02:18:46,580
it's in my opinion absurd beyond belief

2993
02:18:54,889 --> 02:18:51,479
but I listen you know I I don't want

2994
02:18:58,190 --> 02:18:54,899
if here's the thing with researchers

2995
02:19:00,950 --> 02:18:58,200
they put a lot of time in what they do

2996
02:19:03,530 --> 02:19:00,960
and they they get nuggets right they dig

2997
02:19:05,509 --> 02:19:03,540
they dig they get nuggets all of a

2998
02:19:08,349 --> 02:19:05,519
sudden something becomes theirs it's

2999
02:19:10,790 --> 02:19:08,359
their Theory it's their thing

3000
02:19:13,009 --> 02:19:10,800
there's a lot of fighting that goes on

3001
02:19:16,429 --> 02:19:13,019
in the JFK research Community just like

3002
02:19:19,370 --> 02:19:16,439
the UFO community and just like it's the

3003
02:19:22,849 --> 02:19:19,380
same thing there's a lot of egos these

3004
02:19:24,889 --> 02:19:22,859
are really smart intellectual people

3005
02:19:26,209 --> 02:19:24,899
some people infiltrate I think they're

3006
02:19:28,370 --> 02:19:26,219
in it for themselves they're in it for

3007
02:19:30,169 --> 02:19:28,380
the wrong reasons we all know that but I

3008
02:19:31,969 --> 02:19:30,179
think for the most part you're talking

3009
02:19:34,370 --> 02:19:31,979
about real intellectuals here really

3010
02:19:35,629 --> 02:19:34,380
care and they get dig they dig and they

3011
02:19:36,950 --> 02:19:35,639
have personalities a lot of them have

3012
02:19:38,030 --> 02:19:36,960
strong personalities right and they're

3013
02:19:41,089 --> 02:19:38,040
like well

3014
02:19:43,610 --> 02:19:41,099
here's what I think and boom Jackie did

3015
02:19:47,030 --> 02:19:43,620
it and now that you own it you own that

3016
02:19:49,190 --> 02:19:47,040
yeah you do you remember Bill Cooper

3017
02:19:53,389 --> 02:19:49,200
um he went around three years with his

3018
02:19:55,250 --> 02:19:53,399
video and I went and I watched I watched

3019
02:19:57,530 --> 02:19:55,260
Bill's presentations on this and I've

3020
02:20:01,330 --> 02:19:57,540
seen the video since I'm like I don't

3021
02:20:05,330 --> 02:20:01,340
see it but he he

3022
02:20:08,090 --> 02:20:05,340
repeats it and is so convincing in his

3023
02:20:09,230 --> 02:20:08,100
presentation that you've got you know

3024
02:20:11,570 --> 02:20:09,240
hundreds of people sitting in the

3025
02:20:15,290 --> 02:20:11,580
audience going okay all right all right

3026
02:20:17,990 --> 02:20:15,300
and this went on for years oh yeah live

3027
02:20:21,170 --> 02:20:18,000
radio talk shows

3028
02:20:22,910 --> 02:20:21,180
um uh so there you go and yeah Behold a

3029
02:20:24,889 --> 02:20:22,920
pale horse is one of the most terrifying

3030
02:20:28,070 --> 02:20:24,899
books I've ever read in my life I I it

3031
02:20:31,010 --> 02:20:28,080
was really terrified me I was absolutely

3032
02:20:33,050 --> 02:20:31,020
scared to death after I read that book

3033
02:20:35,990 --> 02:20:33,060
and it was convincing listen I'll tell

3034
02:20:38,150 --> 02:20:36,000
you David Ike is very convincing he has

3035
02:20:40,190 --> 02:20:38,160
a he's a really good at that like and I

3036
02:20:41,690 --> 02:20:40,200
I do believe he thinks a lot of what he

3037
02:20:43,309 --> 02:20:41,700
says is true I'm not saying he doesn't

3038
02:20:47,210 --> 02:20:43,319
but

3039
02:20:49,790 --> 02:20:47,220
you get caught sometimes on what I call

3040
02:20:52,010 --> 02:20:49,800
a conspiracy train and again I don't

3041
02:20:54,889 --> 02:20:52,020
mean to disparage I don't want to

3042
02:20:57,290 --> 02:20:54,899
disparage but what this is human nature

3043
02:20:58,910 --> 02:20:57,300
okay there are people just like the

3044
02:21:01,429 --> 02:20:58,920
people that talk about

3045
02:21:04,190 --> 02:21:01,439
Sandy Hook never happened oh come on man

3046
02:21:06,469 --> 02:21:04,200
people buried their kids yeah you know

3047
02:21:08,570 --> 02:21:06,479
and this is just my opinion right and

3048
02:21:11,929 --> 02:21:08,580
people yell at me and they can type in

3049
02:21:14,210 --> 02:21:11,939
that I'm an idiot or whatever but the

3050
02:21:16,910 --> 02:21:14,220
fact that people would even think that

3051
02:21:20,330 --> 02:21:16,920
Jackie was the one who had the Fatal

3052
02:21:23,510 --> 02:21:20,340
headshot who did it

3053
02:21:25,490 --> 02:21:23,520
I almost think that's their plants their

3054
02:21:27,969 --> 02:21:25,500
shills they have to be because they just

3055
02:21:30,650 --> 02:21:27,979
want to confuse people even more yeah

3056
02:21:33,290 --> 02:21:30,660
I'm sorry I don't mean to get heated no

3057
02:21:35,929 --> 02:21:33,300
but we got to keep it real here yeah

3058
02:21:38,330 --> 02:21:35,939
Jack you're right about that and the

3059
02:21:40,910 --> 02:21:38,340
other point uh to that is

3060
02:21:43,790 --> 02:21:40,920
um you know the famous quote I love uh

3061
02:21:45,889 --> 02:21:43,800
I'm going to paraphrase but think up the

3062
02:21:47,929 --> 02:21:45,899
craziest thing you want and somebody out

3063
02:21:51,590 --> 02:21:47,939
there is going to believe it yeah so

3064
02:21:53,929 --> 02:21:51,600
there you go okay next uh the CIA

3065
02:21:56,530 --> 02:21:53,939
uh killed Kennedy oh that comes from

3066
02:21:59,510 --> 02:21:56,540
Kevin Kennedy

3067
02:22:02,750 --> 02:21:59,520
distant cousin to John and Robert I I

3068
02:22:06,770 --> 02:22:02,760
think that there is a lot yeah yeah I

3069
02:22:09,349 --> 02:22:06,780
think there was a lot of of of evidence

3070
02:22:11,090 --> 02:22:09,359
uh and different personalities out there

3071
02:22:12,530 --> 02:22:11,100
that would say that the CIA definitely

3072
02:22:15,230 --> 02:22:12,540
had a hand in this

3073
02:22:17,270 --> 02:22:15,240
there's no question that most likely

3074
02:22:20,330 --> 02:22:17,280
James Angleton had something to do with

3075
02:22:22,849 --> 02:22:20,340
it but it was Alan Dulles okay Kennedy

3076
02:22:25,610 --> 02:22:22,859
fires Dulles after the Bay of Pigs yes

3077
02:22:27,590 --> 02:22:25,620
because he because he lied to Kennedy he

3078
02:22:29,570 --> 02:22:27,600
tried to he said this is a new president

3079
02:22:31,550 --> 02:22:29,580
he's young we're going to put him in

3080
02:22:34,010 --> 02:22:31,560
we're going to paint him into a corner

3081
02:22:37,190 --> 02:22:34,020
and force him to use U.S troops and

3082
02:22:41,990 --> 02:22:37,200
planes airplane support air support in

3083
02:22:43,550 --> 02:22:42,000
uh uh in the uh Baya pigs

3084
02:22:46,070 --> 02:22:43,560
okay

3085
02:22:47,210 --> 02:22:46,080
Allen Dulles lied to Kennedy's face and

3086
02:22:49,550 --> 02:22:47,220
said this is what's going to happen

3087
02:22:51,349 --> 02:22:49,560
Kennedy was like okay fine and then he

3088
02:22:52,730 --> 02:22:51,359
realized he lied to him and that's when

3089
02:22:55,130 --> 02:22:52,740
Kennedy's like you're not getting air

3090
02:22:57,410 --> 02:22:55,140
support I'm not bending I'm not going to

3091
02:22:59,750 --> 02:22:57,420
break here and then he was so he took

3092
02:23:01,190 --> 02:22:59,760
responsibility this is it shows you what

3093
02:23:03,530 --> 02:23:01,200
kind of guy Kennedy was he took

3094
02:23:05,870 --> 02:23:03,540
responsibility publicly it says it all

3095
02:23:09,170 --> 02:23:05,880
falls on me I'm the president

3096
02:23:11,270 --> 02:23:09,180
behind closed doors he rips out he's

3097
02:23:14,389 --> 02:23:11,280
ready to kill Alan Dulles right he's

3098
02:23:17,270 --> 02:23:14,399
like you're gone right gone

3099
02:23:19,910 --> 02:23:17,280
now Alan Dulles was an old school there

3100
02:23:23,469 --> 02:23:19,920
were a lot of Team Dulles was a very

3101
02:23:26,210 --> 02:23:23,479
powerful team okay extremely powerful

3102
02:23:27,770 --> 02:23:26,220
extremely powerful people and so he

3103
02:23:29,929 --> 02:23:27,780
fires Alan Dulles and he's going to

3104
02:23:31,969 --> 02:23:29,939
Splinter the CIA into a million pieces

3105
02:23:34,190 --> 02:23:31,979
be because and he was right because the

3106
02:23:37,010 --> 02:23:34,200
CIA was completely acting outside of the

3107
02:23:39,770 --> 02:23:37,020
bounds of its mandate which was to

3108
02:23:43,490 --> 02:23:39,780
collect intelligence from around the

3109
02:23:47,110 --> 02:23:43,500
world to gather intelligence not to

3110
02:23:50,210 --> 02:23:47,120
orchestrate coups not to kill people

3111
02:23:53,030 --> 02:23:50,220
you know not to do the most Insidious

3112
02:23:54,889 --> 02:23:53,040
evil crap you could ever think of which

3113
02:23:57,590 --> 02:23:54,899
is why they were all alcoholics

3114
02:24:00,650 --> 02:23:57,600
now wasn't his best friend was a bush

3115
02:24:02,870 --> 02:24:00,660
senior too as well Allen they were they

3116
02:24:05,870 --> 02:24:02,880
all knew each other Bush was CIA all the

3117
02:24:07,610 --> 02:24:05,880
way uh you know his father was Prescott

3118
02:24:11,510 --> 02:24:07,620
Bush who Alan Dulles knew because

3119
02:24:13,550 --> 02:24:11,520
Prescott Bush he had a bank uh with this

3120
02:24:16,610 --> 02:24:13,560
other guy and they were helping before

3121
02:24:18,770 --> 02:24:16,620
the war they were they were uh financing

3122
02:24:20,870 --> 02:24:18,780
the Nazis they were helping Finance the

3123
02:24:23,690 --> 02:24:20,880
Nazis and that's that gets back to this

3124
02:24:25,790 --> 02:24:23,700
Elite this is what people need to

3125
02:24:29,270 --> 02:24:25,800
understand about this country

3126
02:24:31,910 --> 02:24:29,280
okay you go back to the very powerful

3127
02:24:33,710 --> 02:24:31,920
people who control this country and you

3128
02:24:36,410 --> 02:24:33,720
go into the World War II so we're

3129
02:24:38,690 --> 02:24:36,420
fighting the Nazis okay before World War

3130
02:24:42,050 --> 02:24:38,700
II even ended

3131
02:24:43,670 --> 02:24:42,060
communism became our enemy we knew it

3132
02:24:45,889 --> 02:24:43,680
was going to happen we knew we were

3133
02:24:48,530 --> 02:24:45,899
going to win the war what did Alan

3134
02:24:50,389 --> 02:24:48,540
Dulles do and these other cronies and

3135
02:24:53,630 --> 02:24:50,399
the Prescott bushes and the George Bush

3136
02:24:57,110 --> 02:24:53,640
seniors and all these guys they hated

3137
02:25:00,830 --> 02:24:57,120
communism way more than they hated the

3138
02:25:02,929 --> 02:25:00,840
Nazis in fact a lot of them they kind of

3139
02:25:05,090 --> 02:25:02,939
like the Nazis they like the way they

3140
02:25:07,370 --> 02:25:05,100
did things they liked their propaganda

3141
02:25:10,190 --> 02:25:07,380
they liked it they loved it they were

3142
02:25:13,010 --> 02:25:10,200
anti-semitic as hell right they were

3143
02:25:15,410 --> 02:25:13,020
right so they go they're like they help

3144
02:25:17,330 --> 02:25:15,420
the Nazis Operation Paperclip was much

3145
02:25:19,910 --> 02:25:17,340
bigger than people think people think of

3146
02:25:22,130 --> 02:25:19,920
Warner Von Braun right oh well we took

3147
02:25:24,110 --> 02:25:22,140
the scientists to help with NASA and the

3148
02:25:27,110 --> 02:25:24,120
space races Russians took some we took

3149
02:25:29,389 --> 02:25:27,120
some Nazi scientists okay that's true

3150
02:25:32,210 --> 02:25:29,399
there are also tens of thousands of

3151
02:25:35,330 --> 02:25:32,220
other Nazi Party members that we helped

3152
02:25:38,090 --> 02:25:35,340
escape to get out of Germany through the

3153
02:25:40,429 --> 02:25:38,100
Vatican in Rome and get out into South

3154
02:25:42,710 --> 02:25:40,439
America Argentina into the United States

3155
02:25:44,929 --> 02:25:42,720
in Detroit where we had Nazi war

3156
02:25:47,929 --> 02:25:44,939
criminals working at Ford factories

3157
02:25:50,630 --> 02:25:47,939
making cars Ford was the biggest

3158
02:25:52,610 --> 02:25:50,640
anti-semite of all time maybe they kind

3159
02:25:56,270 --> 02:25:52,620
of like the Nazis they hated the

3160
02:25:59,030 --> 02:25:56,280
Communists so Boom the cold war starts

3161
02:26:00,530 --> 02:25:59,040
people don't understand that we helped

3162
02:26:05,450 --> 02:26:00,540
so many Nazis

3163
02:26:08,090 --> 02:26:05,460
Escape prosecution and Justice right and

3164
02:26:10,969 --> 02:26:08,100
all all those all those passports were

3165
02:26:13,250 --> 02:26:10,979
created at the Vatican right but we

3166
02:26:15,410 --> 02:26:13,260
worked the CIA was all in that yeah and

3167
02:26:17,270 --> 02:26:15,420
Alan Dulles was the biggest proponent of

3168
02:26:19,490 --> 02:26:17,280
it he's the one who who operated that he

3169
02:26:22,309 --> 02:26:19,500
was in charge of that so then you have

3170
02:26:25,510 --> 02:26:22,319
these guys again elitist

3171
02:26:28,309 --> 02:26:25,520
control freaks

3172
02:26:30,770 --> 02:26:28,319
sociopaths in so many ways Jimmy you got

3173
02:26:32,150 --> 02:26:30,780
to look at the psychology of it ego

3174
02:26:34,429 --> 02:26:32,160
maniacal

3175
02:26:38,230 --> 02:26:34,439
born and raised to believe they were

3176
02:26:41,030 --> 02:26:38,240
meant to rule over others

3177
02:26:43,790 --> 02:26:41,040
yeah here comes Kennedy Here Comes

3178
02:26:46,670 --> 02:26:43,800
Kennedy and the Catholic and you know

3179
02:26:48,349 --> 02:26:46,680
and what what he what he's going to pull

3180
02:26:50,330 --> 02:26:48,359
out of Vietnam who does he think he is

3181
02:26:52,670 --> 02:26:50,340
we got contracts with Bell Helicopter

3182
02:26:54,410 --> 02:26:52,680
and General Dynamics and they're going

3183
02:26:56,830 --> 02:26:54,420
to make billions of dollars on the

3184
02:26:59,330 --> 02:26:56,840
Vietnam war that will happen

3185
02:27:01,849 --> 02:26:59,340
just like we went in the Guatemala in

3186
02:27:04,309 --> 02:27:01,859
the late 50s and you know and Alan

3187
02:27:09,370 --> 02:27:04,319
Dulles and John Foster Dulles owned huge

3188
02:27:14,510 --> 02:27:12,650
yeah let's uh before we get to the break

3189
02:27:17,690 --> 02:27:14,520
I want to get a couple more of these in

3190
02:27:19,969 --> 02:27:17,700
what did he ask Saint John Hunt and he

3191
02:27:23,150 --> 02:27:19,979
says I go with the storm drain notion

3192
02:27:24,830 --> 02:27:23,160
what did you ask uh Saint John Hunt

3193
02:27:26,510 --> 02:27:24,840
I asked some things like I said tell me

3194
02:27:28,309 --> 02:27:26,520
about your family life of growing up

3195
02:27:30,410 --> 02:27:28,319
what was it like to be a member of the

3196
02:27:31,370 --> 02:27:30,420
CIA family what was it like to be a CIA

3197
02:27:33,469 --> 02:27:31,380
kid

3198
02:27:36,349 --> 02:27:33,479
and we started talking about that and

3199
02:27:37,610 --> 02:27:36,359
then I asked him uh you know what it was

3200
02:27:39,290 --> 02:27:37,620
like and he talked about what happened

3201
02:27:41,630 --> 02:27:39,300
with Watergate and the way his father

3202
02:27:43,309 --> 02:27:41,640
acted and then you know no a lot not a

3203
02:27:45,110 --> 02:27:43,319
lot of not a lot of people know this but

3204
02:27:47,270 --> 02:27:45,120
his mother was killed in a plane crash

3205
02:27:49,429 --> 02:27:47,280
and what had happened is his father had

3206
02:27:51,410 --> 02:27:49,439
given the mother money to get up to

3207
02:27:55,250 --> 02:27:51,420
Washington DC

3208
02:27:57,050 --> 02:27:55,260
to give to uh to payoffs because they

3209
02:27:58,969 --> 02:27:57,060
needed to pay people off to avoid people

3210
02:28:01,610 --> 02:27:58,979
from talking about Watergate

3211
02:28:02,929 --> 02:28:01,620
on that airplane it was sabotage there

3212
02:28:05,090 --> 02:28:02,939
were other people on that airplane

3213
02:28:08,330 --> 02:28:05,100
related to Watergate and the plane went

3214
02:28:11,150 --> 02:28:08,340
down so St John lost his mother then

3215
02:28:13,730 --> 02:28:11,160
in the plane crash then lost his father

3216
02:28:15,290 --> 02:28:13,740
shortly after that to prison because e

3217
02:28:17,389 --> 02:28:15,300
Howard hunt did go to prison for a while

3218
02:28:19,070 --> 02:28:17,399
yes he did so he talked about that but

3219
02:28:20,270 --> 02:28:19,080
then of course I asked about Ken of

3220
02:28:22,370 --> 02:28:20,280
course that was the point was okay

3221
02:28:24,050 --> 02:28:22,380
Kennedy assassination what did your

3222
02:28:26,750 --> 02:28:24,060
father tell you

3223
02:28:29,389 --> 02:28:26,760
and he said my father said he was a

3224
02:28:30,770 --> 02:28:29,399
peripheral player in it and my he said

3225
02:28:33,170 --> 02:28:30,780
my dad said because he was good with

3226
02:28:35,809 --> 02:28:33,180
Logistics and he's his father had dealt

3227
02:28:38,030 --> 02:28:35,819
with the Cuban Exiles and the Bay of

3228
02:28:40,190 --> 02:28:38,040
Pigs and all of that that was all he he

3229
02:28:42,889 --> 02:28:40,200
Howard hunt was a coordinator a lot of

3230
02:28:45,230 --> 02:28:42,899
those guys that was part of his team so

3231
02:28:46,849 --> 02:28:45,240
what he did in Dallas they asked if he

3232
02:28:48,770 --> 02:28:46,859
wanted to be more directly involved and

3233
02:28:50,830 --> 02:28:48,780
apparently his dad said no but he would

3234
02:28:54,830 --> 02:28:50,840
do peripheral so what that means is

3235
02:28:56,270 --> 02:28:54,840
logistics safe houses airports how do

3236
02:28:58,809 --> 02:28:56,280
you get all the assassins in and out

3237
02:29:02,030 --> 02:28:58,819
where do people stay where do they go

3238
02:29:04,370 --> 02:29:02,040
exactly after they shoot how do they get

3239
02:29:06,650 --> 02:29:04,380
to where they need to get boom boom on

3240
02:29:08,690 --> 02:29:06,660
an airplane out of Dallas boom on an

3241
02:29:10,270 --> 02:29:08,700
airplane out of the country and it could

3242
02:29:13,190 --> 02:29:10,280
be a two-month process

3243
02:29:15,050 --> 02:29:13,200
St John I'm sorry e Howard hunt was

3244
02:29:17,210 --> 02:29:15,060
really good at that that was his thing

3245
02:29:19,790 --> 02:29:17,220
so Saint and he said yeah I mean it was

3246
02:29:22,969 --> 02:29:19,800
a it was a coordinated you know as a CIA

3247
02:29:24,950 --> 02:29:22,979
and we had all these assat but but but e

3248
02:29:27,469 --> 02:29:24,960
Howard on was always like well I was on

3249
02:29:29,030 --> 02:29:27,479
the peripheral right he never he never

3250
02:29:31,510 --> 02:29:29,040
said well I was right in there with it

3251
02:29:35,210 --> 02:29:31,520
you know I was just a peripheral player

3252
02:29:39,830 --> 02:29:35,220
which it which would it it I mean it's

3253
02:29:43,969 --> 02:29:39,840
it's not uh solid but it would indicate

3254
02:29:47,870 --> 02:29:43,979
a conspiracy that's it correct at any

3255
02:29:50,750 --> 02:29:47,880
level that's right if he's outside of

3256
02:29:51,950 --> 02:29:50,760
Lee Harvey Oswald right then we have a

3257
02:29:56,270 --> 02:29:51,960
conspiracy

3258
02:29:59,990 --> 02:29:56,280
um Adam bicycle says Lee Harvey Oswald

3259
02:30:02,150 --> 02:30:00,000
right that a lone gunman and uh there

3260
02:30:05,270 --> 02:30:02,160
you go let me see what else we have uh

3261
02:30:08,530 --> 02:30:05,280
this is from uh zanzibill he says the

3262
02:30:10,969 --> 02:30:08,540
CIA military industrial complex

3263
02:30:13,010 --> 02:30:10,979
Aerospace hitmen

3264
02:30:14,750 --> 02:30:13,020
hmm

3265
02:30:17,410 --> 02:30:14,760
I don't know what the Aerospace means

3266
02:30:21,710 --> 02:30:17,420
there but I would say absolutely CIA

3267
02:30:24,290 --> 02:30:21,720
military industrial complex mob foreign

3268
02:30:26,570 --> 02:30:24,300
assassins even that they brought in uh

3269
02:30:28,610 --> 02:30:26,580
Hitmen without question

3270
02:30:31,550 --> 02:30:28,620
yeah can I say something to the guy who

3271
02:30:35,330 --> 02:30:31,560
said Lee Harvey Oswald sure

3272
02:30:38,330 --> 02:30:35,340
please do more research please

3273
02:30:40,790 --> 02:30:38,340
understand

3274
02:30:43,670 --> 02:30:40,800
when you realize what really happened it

3275
02:30:45,710 --> 02:30:43,680
was not Lee Harvey Oswald and it and and

3276
02:30:47,510 --> 02:30:45,720
if you still believe it's Lee Harvey

3277
02:30:49,190 --> 02:30:47,520
Oswald after you do a ton of research

3278
02:30:50,929 --> 02:30:49,200
and you still believe it's him then good

3279
02:30:52,490 --> 02:30:50,939
okay that's you have every right to

3280
02:30:55,309 --> 02:30:52,500
believe that but

3281
02:30:57,290 --> 02:30:55,319
man this man's he has two he had two

3282
02:30:58,969 --> 02:30:57,300
daughters that are still alive Marina is

3283
02:31:01,010 --> 02:30:58,979
still alive and they've had to live with

3284
02:31:04,790 --> 02:31:01,020
the fact that their dad was the Assassin

3285
02:31:12,110 --> 02:31:08,290
um I know it's one thing to uh

3286
02:31:15,530 --> 02:31:12,120
uh stand at uh the repository window and

3287
02:31:17,210 --> 02:31:15,540
look down but isn't it interesting I've

3288
02:31:20,030 --> 02:31:17,220
only got 30 seconds before the break

3289
02:31:22,330 --> 02:31:20,040
when you stand on the curb on the axis

3290
02:31:24,290 --> 02:31:22,340
right and you look up at the window

3291
02:31:28,130 --> 02:31:24,300
that's uh

3292
02:31:31,250 --> 02:31:28,140
that's a whole nother right you know

3293
02:31:33,670 --> 02:31:31,260
what I mean it just it feels it's it it

3294
02:31:36,950 --> 02:31:33,680
it's close it's not like it's far away

3295
02:31:38,990 --> 02:31:36,960
but the angle and you start thinking

3296
02:31:40,250 --> 02:31:39,000
about the car moving and you're looking

3297
02:31:43,070 --> 02:31:40,260
up at that

3298
02:31:45,950 --> 02:31:43,080
man I don't know man I don't know the

3299
02:31:48,410 --> 02:31:45,960
Lee Harvey Oswald uh part of this just

3300
02:31:51,050 --> 02:31:48,420
seems a little funky Let's uh take our

3301
02:31:54,309 --> 02:31:51,060
break we're not done no we've got one

3302
02:31:57,349 --> 02:31:54,319
segment left Jack Roth is with us it is

3303
02:32:00,410 --> 02:31:57,359
November 22nd the anniversary of the

3304
02:32:02,330 --> 02:32:00,420
John F Kennedy assassination his new

3305
02:32:04,010 --> 02:32:02,340
book Killing Kennedy is out the links

3306
02:32:06,050 --> 02:32:04,020
forward are below

3307
02:32:08,210 --> 02:32:06,060
this is Fade to Black I'm Yoshimi church

3308
02:32:11,690 --> 02:32:08,220
more with Jack Roth when we come back

3309
02:32:14,240 --> 02:32:11,700
after the short break overtime is next

3310
02:32:24,970 --> 02:32:14,250
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3380
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[Music]

3381
02:36:22,730 --> 02:36:21,050
Welcome Back Fade to Black I'm your host

3382
02:36:23,630 --> 02:36:22,740
Jimmy church tonight Jack Roth is with

3383
02:36:27,230 --> 02:36:23,640
us

3384
02:36:28,849 --> 02:36:27,240
it is November 22nd it is the

3385
02:36:32,929 --> 02:36:28,859
anniversary of the John F Kennedy

3386
02:36:35,690 --> 02:36:32,939
assassination uh in Dallas Texas and I

3387
02:36:38,330 --> 02:36:35,700
I've got to uh listen

3388
02:36:41,030 --> 02:36:38,340
um the I think that the point that we

3389
02:36:43,610 --> 02:36:41,040
have made since the beginning of this uh

3390
02:36:44,510 --> 02:36:43,620
broadcast tonight is that nobody knows

3391
02:36:48,469 --> 02:36:44,520
anything

3392
02:36:50,510 --> 02:36:48,479
right we we may never know there is so

3393
02:36:54,349 --> 02:36:50,520
much information out there and you go

3394
02:36:56,330 --> 02:36:54,359
and you start to it's obvious uh I mean

3395
02:37:01,309 --> 02:36:56,340
plain

3396
02:37:05,210 --> 02:37:01,319
act alone

3397
02:37:08,870 --> 02:37:05,220
and quite possibly didn't didn't didn't

3398
02:37:12,770 --> 02:37:08,880
hit Kennedy with a bullet I I I still

3399
02:37:15,349 --> 02:37:12,780
don't uh understand

3400
02:37:19,730 --> 02:37:15,359
um how we can rest on that and and just

3401
02:37:22,790 --> 02:37:19,740
accept uh that that narrative it doesn't

3402
02:37:25,070 --> 02:37:22,800
make any sense and and one of the

3403
02:37:29,270 --> 02:37:25,080
reasons and I'm looking at everybody's

3404
02:37:30,790 --> 02:37:29,280
uh comments here and and things they're

3405
02:37:33,370 --> 02:37:30,800
all over the place

3406
02:37:35,929 --> 02:37:33,380
as they should be

3407
02:37:38,510 --> 02:37:35,939
as the as the people who didn't want

3408
02:37:41,990 --> 02:37:38,520
them to be

3409
02:37:47,750 --> 02:37:42,000
I mean it's just some we got uh Curtis

3410
02:37:51,590 --> 02:37:47,760
LeMay you know is is is is in play uh uh

3411
02:37:53,990 --> 02:37:51,600
uh go ahead well Curtis LeMay right

3412
02:37:56,090 --> 02:37:54,000
because Curtis LeMay hated Kennedy's he

3413
02:37:58,790 --> 02:37:56,100
hated John Kennedy hated the Kennedys he

3414
02:38:01,010 --> 02:37:58,800
was a Warhawk uh he hated every one of

3415
02:38:03,830 --> 02:38:01,020
everything that Kennedy John Kennedy

3416
02:38:05,330 --> 02:38:03,840
wanted to do uh horrible person Curtis

3417
02:38:07,610 --> 02:38:05,340
LeMay you got to read about him read

3418
02:38:09,110 --> 02:38:07,620
more about him uh

3419
02:38:12,950 --> 02:38:09,120
but again

3420
02:38:15,170 --> 02:38:12,960
yes so at what level cigar right he was

3421
02:38:18,469 --> 02:38:15,180
this yeah he was the cigar guy but it's

3422
02:38:21,370 --> 02:38:18,479
also the guy he was the new missiles and

3423
02:38:23,929 --> 02:38:21,380
let's let's bomb the world

3424
02:38:30,050 --> 02:38:23,939
they wanted to

3425
02:38:31,309 --> 02:38:30,060
for sure and kill Castro and it and they

3426
02:38:33,530 --> 02:38:31,319
thought that they we had the first

3427
02:38:36,050 --> 02:38:33,540
strike capabilities to

3428
02:38:38,450 --> 02:38:36,060
have enough First Strike capabilities to

3429
02:38:40,969 --> 02:38:38,460
[\h__\h] Russia so that even if there was

3430
02:38:43,429 --> 02:38:40,979
a little collateral damage and maybe 10

3431
02:38:45,950 --> 02:38:43,439
million of us died so what we'd still

3432
02:38:46,910 --> 02:38:45,960
destroy Russia this is the mindset these

3433
02:38:48,889 --> 02:38:46,920
guys had

3434
02:38:49,910 --> 02:38:48,899
and Kennedy was like you can't kill

3435
02:38:51,830 --> 02:38:49,920
Millions

3436
02:38:52,969 --> 02:38:51,840
you could what do you do like he

3437
02:38:54,650 --> 02:38:52,979
couldn't even believe what he was

3438
02:38:56,630 --> 02:38:54,660
hearing from his Joint Chiefs of Staff

3439
02:38:59,210 --> 02:38:56,640
and some of these people operation

3440
02:39:01,429 --> 02:38:59,220
Northwoods was a real thing it was a CIA

3441
02:39:05,349 --> 02:39:01,439
and the whole thing was to have a false

3442
02:39:08,090 --> 02:39:05,359
flag narrative all right yeah yeah

3443
02:39:10,010 --> 02:39:08,100
operation Northwoods it when people

3444
02:39:13,929 --> 02:39:10,020
bring up 911

3445
02:39:16,809 --> 02:39:13,939
or you know just that uh if Dr

3446
02:39:20,630 --> 02:39:16,819
Strangelove right watch this movie

3447
02:39:22,969 --> 02:39:20,640
that's Curtis LeMay that is Curtis LeMay

3448
02:39:26,870 --> 02:39:22,979
do you really want to get down to brass

3449
02:39:30,889 --> 02:39:26,880
tacks here it's uh you know you really

3450
02:39:34,790 --> 02:39:30,899
uh think about George C Scott and uh

3451
02:39:36,230 --> 02:39:34,800
well anyway anyway that what operation

3452
02:39:39,410 --> 02:39:36,240
Northwoods

3453
02:39:41,990 --> 02:39:39,420
was real and that was signed off by The

3454
02:39:44,110 --> 02:39:42,000
Joint Chiefs that made it into the White

3455
02:39:46,190 --> 02:39:44,120
House yes

3456
02:39:48,290 --> 02:39:46,200
couldn't believe what he was dealing

3457
02:39:51,290 --> 02:39:48,300
with I mean you have to realize and and

3458
02:39:55,370 --> 02:39:51,300
here's the thing so was Curtis LeMay

3459
02:39:57,230 --> 02:39:55,380
involved in the assassination well

3460
02:39:59,030 --> 02:39:57,240
there were closed door meetings there

3461
02:40:00,710 --> 02:39:59,040
are always closed door meetings we have

3462
02:40:02,150 --> 02:40:00,720
to agree on that right so there's no

3463
02:40:03,469 --> 02:40:02,160
matter what there's always the the

3464
02:40:04,969 --> 02:40:03,479
Bilderberg Group there's all these

3465
02:40:06,050 --> 02:40:04,979
groups of people that have closed-door

3466
02:40:07,849 --> 02:40:06,060
meetings so let's say there's a couple

3467
02:40:10,250 --> 02:40:07,859
of closed-door meetings

3468
02:40:14,150 --> 02:40:10,260
with that and Alan Dulles is there and

3469
02:40:18,530 --> 02:40:16,370
John John rockefeller's there and he's

3470
02:40:20,450 --> 02:40:18,540
we got to get rid of this guy he's

3471
02:40:22,910 --> 02:40:20,460
trying he's trying to get rid of the

3472
02:40:25,250 --> 02:40:22,920
Federal Reserve he wants a pull out of

3473
02:40:27,110 --> 02:40:25,260
Vietnam he wants to this he wants to

3474
02:40:29,090 --> 02:40:27,120
that he wants to put get rid of the oil

3475
02:40:30,889 --> 02:40:29,100
depletion allowance and all of our oil

3476
02:40:33,230 --> 02:40:30,899
friends are going to lose millions of

3477
02:40:35,750 --> 02:40:33,240
dollars got to get rid of this guy

3478
02:40:39,849 --> 02:40:35,760
can we do it yeah we can do it

3479
02:40:45,830 --> 02:40:39,859
we we've trained to do this to to Castro

3480
02:40:47,450 --> 02:40:45,840
You Know Jack this is I mean for me when

3481
02:40:52,309 --> 02:40:47,460
these

3482
02:40:54,830 --> 02:40:52,319
ideas are put out there and and people

3483
02:40:57,590 --> 02:40:54,840
come that's too crazy they don't there

3484
02:40:59,630 --> 02:40:57,600
is no Board Room with a bunch of guys

3485
02:41:02,750 --> 02:40:59,640
sitting around 10 smoking cigarettes

3486
02:41:06,230 --> 02:41:02,760
talking about this stuff no that's

3487
02:41:09,590 --> 02:41:06,240
exactly what they talk about I want an

3488
02:41:13,370 --> 02:41:09,600
example of this go and look at operation

3489
02:41:15,950 --> 02:41:13,380
Northwoods right these guys planned this

3490
02:41:19,309 --> 02:41:15,960
right they sat around and said okay so

3491
02:41:23,210 --> 02:41:19,319
yeah okay so we we shoot down our own

3492
02:41:26,090 --> 02:41:23,220
commercial airliner right blame it on so

3493
02:41:28,849 --> 02:41:26,100
and so and then we bomb them into

3494
02:41:30,950 --> 02:41:28,859
Oblivion right okay that's a good idea

3495
02:41:32,830 --> 02:41:30,960
okay yeah yeah yeah yeah okay let's

3496
02:41:35,690 --> 02:41:32,840
let's let's

3497
02:41:38,510 --> 02:41:35,700
go look at operation Northwoods if you

3498
02:41:41,389 --> 02:41:38,520
right if you ever think that these kind

3499
02:41:47,690 --> 02:41:41,399
of Dark Minds aren't in operation okay

3500
02:41:54,530 --> 02:41:51,830
um uh let's see zanos here says the CIA

3501
02:42:00,349 --> 02:41:54,540
and the mob right it's just all over the

3502
02:42:02,750 --> 02:42:00,359
place uh Ken priest says uh CIA Bush if

3503
02:42:04,490 --> 02:42:02,760
you remember Bush a senior

3504
02:42:06,770 --> 02:42:04,500
um as the point man oh yeah wait a

3505
02:42:10,070 --> 02:42:06,780
minute he comes back and says that's

3506
02:42:14,330 --> 02:42:10,080
awesome yeah sorry senior yeah

3507
02:42:17,990 --> 02:42:14,340
um and if I if I jump down here

3508
02:42:20,570 --> 02:42:18,000
um uh we have uh Terry's America says

3509
02:42:23,150 --> 02:42:20,580
there's a there's rumored to be a diary

3510
02:42:25,849 --> 02:42:23,160
written by an a to the Joint Chiefs who

3511
02:42:31,849 --> 02:42:25,859
wrote that Curtis LeMay kicked it off by

3512
02:42:38,630 --> 02:42:34,429
have you have you heard about this I

3513
02:42:41,090 --> 02:42:38,640
have it oh his term is I'm sorry

3514
02:42:42,889 --> 02:42:41,100
is over and over

3515
02:42:46,610 --> 02:42:42,899
well I could definitely see Curtis LeMay

3516
02:42:49,270 --> 02:42:46,620
would say something like that listen

3517
02:42:51,230 --> 02:42:49,280
I

3518
02:42:55,429 --> 02:42:51,240
powerful men

3519
02:42:58,130 --> 02:42:55,439
with Yuji goes with elitist attitudes

3520
02:43:00,130 --> 02:42:58,140
and he you asked a question when the

3521
02:43:03,230 --> 02:43:00,140
segment opened you said

3522
02:43:06,830 --> 02:43:03,240
why would people believe why don't

3523
02:43:09,170 --> 02:43:06,840
people believe that our government could

3524
02:43:10,730 --> 02:43:09,180
do something like this

3525
02:43:13,309 --> 02:43:10,740
I entered that's why I interviewed the

3526
02:43:14,870 --> 02:43:13,319
psychologists I wanted to find out and

3527
02:43:17,950 --> 02:43:14,880
I'm and they talked about something

3528
02:43:21,050 --> 02:43:17,960
called cognitive dissonance

3529
02:43:22,370 --> 02:43:21,060
we're indoctrinated as young children in

3530
02:43:24,710 --> 02:43:22,380
this country whether it's through our

3531
02:43:27,650 --> 02:43:24,720
religious institutions or our political

3532
02:43:31,969 --> 02:43:27,660
institutions and American exceptionalism

3533
02:43:34,849 --> 02:43:31,979
and it's this idea of country as father

3534
02:43:38,150 --> 02:43:34,859
right and one tree you have those

3535
02:43:39,469 --> 02:43:38,160
blinders on right and and evidence is

3536
02:43:46,750 --> 02:43:39,479
laid out in front of you that

3537
02:43:51,650 --> 02:43:50,270
so you would rather just say wouldn't we

3538
02:43:54,590 --> 02:43:51,660
all

3539
02:43:55,910 --> 02:43:54,600
do I want to be I would be a happier

3540
02:43:59,330 --> 02:43:55,920
person

3541
02:44:00,889 --> 02:43:59,340
if I if I if if a lone nut killed

3542
02:44:02,990 --> 02:44:00,899
Kennedy

3543
02:44:05,330 --> 02:44:03,000
I would be so much happier because I

3544
02:44:08,150 --> 02:44:05,340
know that our government was wasn't so

3545
02:44:10,610 --> 02:44:08,160
damn Insidious yeah I can still drive to

3546
02:44:14,809 --> 02:44:10,620
work and and pay for my health insurance

3547
02:44:17,510 --> 02:44:14,819
right right you know listen mortgage

3548
02:44:19,250 --> 02:44:17,520
payment but but I get but like it's it's

3549
02:44:21,410 --> 02:44:19,260
almost like how Archie Bunker was with

3550
02:44:23,809 --> 02:44:21,420
you know like oh you know you know the

3551
02:44:26,630 --> 02:44:23,819
America and any and Meathead was the

3552
02:44:28,130 --> 02:44:26,640
antithesis of that right so like Archie

3553
02:44:30,710 --> 02:44:28,140
didn't want to hear anything that would

3554
02:44:34,969 --> 02:44:30,720
you know harm the American you know

3555
02:44:37,429 --> 02:44:34,979
image so uh that yeah so but it

3556
02:44:39,230 --> 02:44:37,439
cognitive dissonance is a real thing and

3557
02:44:41,990 --> 02:44:39,240
there are other psychological elements

3558
02:44:44,030 --> 02:44:42,000
to this as well but

3559
02:44:47,870 --> 02:44:44,040
and it's uncomfortable it makes people

3560
02:44:49,670 --> 02:44:47,880
very uncomfortable To Think That Joint

3561
02:44:51,410 --> 02:44:49,680
Chiefs CIA

3562
02:44:53,450 --> 02:44:51,420
that all people there are certain people

3563
02:44:55,070 --> 02:44:53,460
that had a real hand in this all right

3564
02:44:56,389 --> 02:44:55,080
and that they were and that and the fact

3565
02:44:58,730 --> 02:44:56,399
that they were so good at it because

3566
02:45:01,130 --> 02:44:58,740
they were doing this all over the world

3567
02:45:05,389 --> 02:45:01,140
doing it all over the world and the the

3568
02:45:09,830 --> 02:45:05,399
other um when we bring in the idea of

3569
02:45:12,349 --> 02:45:09,840
uh organized crime it's not you know

3570
02:45:14,030 --> 02:45:12,359
what I mean you can hit our hands can't

3571
02:45:16,790 --> 02:45:14,040
be involved in this kind of like the Bay

3572
02:45:18,349 --> 02:45:16,800
of Pigs if you think about it right it

3573
02:45:20,990 --> 02:45:18,359
can't be us

3574
02:45:24,469 --> 02:45:21,000
is that we want this done but we've got

3575
02:45:26,570 --> 02:45:24,479
to right it's got to be uh on another

3576
02:45:29,210 --> 02:45:26,580
layer outside of us

3577
02:45:30,889 --> 02:45:29,220
um Jack the Ladd says Jackie looks

3578
02:45:32,990 --> 02:45:30,899
pretty horrified scrambling to get out

3579
02:45:34,429 --> 02:45:33,000
of the Kill Zone definitely not Jackie I

3580
02:45:38,690 --> 02:45:34,439
agree with that

3581
02:45:40,630 --> 02:45:38,700
she I mean she loses her okay now

3582
02:45:45,590 --> 02:45:40,640
um uh uh

3583
02:45:47,389 --> 02:45:45,600
they're part of uh some of the

3584
02:45:51,910 --> 02:45:47,399
conspiracy theories that are out there

3585
02:45:54,770 --> 02:45:51,920
is that it is clear that the limo driver

3586
02:45:57,530 --> 02:45:54,780
turns around and and Pops off a shot

3587
02:46:01,370 --> 02:45:57,540
right and I've I've looked at that some

3588
02:46:03,530 --> 02:46:01,380
I don't know why people see that I can

3589
02:46:05,330 --> 02:46:03,540
see the limo driver is going to turn

3590
02:46:08,450 --> 02:46:05,340
around and take a look

3591
02:46:10,070 --> 02:46:08,460
right right there's so there's you know

3592
02:46:11,570 --> 02:46:10,080
there's gunshots and something's going

3593
02:46:13,429 --> 02:46:11,580
down in the back seat he's got a rear

3594
02:46:15,349 --> 02:46:13,439
view mirror he's going to turn around

3595
02:46:17,330 --> 02:46:15,359
and see what's going on in the back seat

3596
02:46:20,389 --> 02:46:17,340
of the car he's the driver he's a secret

3597
02:46:22,010 --> 02:46:20,399
service agent trained uh to drive and

3598
02:46:25,490 --> 02:46:22,020
what is he going to do if something goes

3599
02:46:29,090 --> 02:46:25,500
down you train for these moments right

3600
02:46:30,770 --> 02:46:29,100
so is is that do you think that the limo

3601
02:46:34,130 --> 02:46:30,780
driver was involved

3602
02:46:35,809 --> 02:46:34,140
no and I think that listen and and you

3603
02:46:38,090 --> 02:46:35,819
know he turns around and people say well

3604
02:46:40,969 --> 02:46:38,100
he stopped he slowed down

3605
02:46:42,349 --> 02:46:40,979
and you're trained not to and then he

3606
02:46:43,790 --> 02:46:42,359
sped up and did what he was supposed to

3607
02:46:46,370 --> 02:46:43,800
do and they went to the hospital but

3608
02:46:47,870 --> 02:46:46,380
again you talk about humans and and the

3609
02:46:49,190 --> 02:46:47,880
fact that he probably was like what you

3610
02:46:50,630 --> 02:46:49,200
know like he may have slammed on the

3611
02:46:52,849 --> 02:46:50,640
break for a second you know like what

3612
02:46:54,290 --> 02:46:52,859
the heck you know like or you know but

3613
02:46:55,790 --> 02:46:54,300
but here's the thing when people say

3614
02:46:57,349 --> 02:46:55,800
well then all the see that secret

3615
02:46:59,090 --> 02:46:57,359
service the Army because they were

3616
02:47:00,590 --> 02:46:59,100
involved with the autopsy

3617
02:47:12,290 --> 02:47:00,600
it's

3618
02:47:13,910 --> 02:47:12,300
that says

3619
02:47:16,130 --> 02:47:13,920
Secret Service

3620
02:47:19,130 --> 02:47:16,140
this is how you're doing this

3621
02:47:21,950 --> 02:47:19,140
no one questions if they follow orders

3622
02:47:24,410 --> 02:47:21,960
stand out what there should have been a

3623
02:47:26,870 --> 02:47:24,420
lot more security

3624
02:47:28,730 --> 02:47:26,880
in Dealey Plaza that day I mean normally

3625
02:47:30,410 --> 02:47:28,740
there's no way anyone would have been

3626
02:47:32,090 --> 02:47:30,420
able to do anything that they did that

3627
02:47:34,130 --> 02:47:32,100
day in Daily Plaza there's no way that

3628
02:47:35,570 --> 02:47:34,140
even if Oswald acted alone that he

3629
02:47:37,309 --> 02:47:35,580
should have been able to get to an open

3630
02:47:38,929 --> 02:47:37,319
window on the sixth floor to the

3631
02:47:40,270 --> 02:47:38,939
depository they would have had those

3632
02:47:45,290 --> 02:47:40,280
windows shut

3633
02:47:48,950 --> 02:47:45,300
uh it it is so painfully obvious now

3634
02:47:51,290 --> 02:47:48,960
um uh you would have thought that

3635
02:47:54,290 --> 02:47:51,300
um assassinations would have ended with

3636
02:47:56,210 --> 02:47:54,300
convertibles after this right but the

3637
02:47:58,250 --> 02:47:56,220
pope ended up you know they had to build

3638
02:48:02,450 --> 02:47:58,260
the pope mobile

3639
02:48:05,150 --> 02:48:02,460
um that uh uh a state

3640
02:48:06,530 --> 02:48:05,160
uh leader uh and in this case the

3641
02:48:10,010 --> 02:48:06,540
president of the United States but any

3642
02:48:13,010 --> 02:48:10,020
you know of any uh country around the

3643
02:48:17,510 --> 02:48:13,020
world riding around in a convertible is

3644
02:48:21,349 --> 02:48:17,520
just a bad idea and it's it's go crazy

3645
02:48:23,990 --> 02:48:21,359
when you when if you go and watch

3646
02:48:27,110 --> 02:48:24,000
um all of the films uh that are out

3647
02:48:31,250 --> 02:48:27,120
there because it's not just the the

3648
02:48:34,790 --> 02:48:31,260
pruda film he was zigzagging through uh

3649
02:48:37,969 --> 02:48:34,800
Dallas uh to get to Dealey Plaza and you

3650
02:48:39,950 --> 02:48:37,979
see the crowds of people right I mean

3651
02:48:41,630 --> 02:48:39,960
crap standing on both sides of the

3652
02:48:45,650 --> 02:48:41,640
street and he's rolling through with

3653
02:48:48,770 --> 02:48:45,660
Jackie in convertible that's crazy it's

3654
02:48:51,410 --> 02:48:48,780
glow it's way crazy

3655
02:48:52,730 --> 02:48:51,420
um you know the Zumbrota film was one as

3656
02:48:55,730 --> 02:48:52,740
a matter of fact

3657
02:48:58,309 --> 02:48:55,740
um if you back up the last two turns he

3658
02:49:00,590 --> 02:48:58,319
makes before they get onto Dealey Plaza

3659
02:49:02,410 --> 02:49:00,600
look at the amount of people on those

3660
02:49:05,450 --> 02:49:02,420
two street corners

3661
02:49:10,309 --> 02:49:05,460
thousands thousands I've been right up

3662
02:49:12,889 --> 02:49:10,319
on the limousine no security no no it

3663
02:49:15,110 --> 02:49:12,899
and when when he pulls down dealy Plaza

3664
02:49:17,330 --> 02:49:15,120
that it's an empty Street compared to

3665
02:49:20,330 --> 02:49:17,340
what he just drove through

3666
02:49:21,710 --> 02:49:20,340
right Elm was empty but for some there

3667
02:49:23,450 --> 02:49:21,720
weren't a lot of people down by the

3668
02:49:25,610 --> 02:49:23,460
grassy knoll and by that there was only

3669
02:49:28,309 --> 02:49:25,620
you know yeah that was the other street

3670
02:49:32,330 --> 02:49:28,319
right yeah it was it was Houston that

3671
02:49:34,250 --> 02:49:32,340
was packed uh with people yes yeah yeah

3672
02:49:35,929 --> 02:49:34,260
all these open Windows like they would

3673
02:49:39,469 --> 02:49:35,939
never have open Windows they would never

3674
02:49:42,190 --> 02:49:39,479
there was no way it was everything about

3675
02:49:46,190 --> 02:49:42,200
that entire motorcade

3676
02:49:48,349 --> 02:49:46,200
was and it was an operation was a they

3677
02:49:51,650 --> 02:49:48,359
were taking this guy out every the turns

3678
02:49:54,530 --> 02:49:51,660
the Angles and Jamie C says never heard

3679
02:49:56,450 --> 02:49:54,540
the theory of Jackie doing it and no one

3680
02:49:58,370 --> 02:49:56,460
ever should hear about and again I'm

3681
02:50:00,429 --> 02:49:58,380
sorry I can't I can't help it though

3682
02:50:04,490 --> 02:50:00,439
like because it just muddies the waters

3683
02:50:06,710 --> 02:50:04,500
it's hard enough right you just said

3684
02:50:08,030 --> 02:50:06,720
that it's hard enough there's hundreds

3685
02:50:09,770 --> 02:50:08,040
of people that we could talk about

3686
02:50:11,510 --> 02:50:09,780
there's hundreds of different theories

3687
02:50:13,370 --> 02:50:11,520
and it's hard enough to we'll never know

3688
02:50:15,110 --> 02:50:13,380
because of all this never we'll never

3689
02:50:17,690 --> 02:50:15,120
really know the truth we can have

3690
02:50:20,150 --> 02:50:17,700
inklings on a higher level but the

3691
02:50:22,490 --> 02:50:20,160
nitty-gritty no way

3692
02:50:25,490 --> 02:50:22,500
um but she does have a book that will be

3693
02:50:28,309 --> 02:50:25,500
published someday I've heard I've heard

3694
02:50:30,110 --> 02:50:28,319
rumors about that for a very very long

3695
02:50:33,110 --> 02:50:30,120
time

3696
02:50:35,170 --> 02:50:33,120
um uh let me scroll down here oh I I

3697
02:50:38,330 --> 02:50:35,180
realize I've said this a few times

3698
02:50:40,450 --> 02:50:38,340
depository not repository

3699
02:50:44,510 --> 02:50:40,460
um it's live radio man

3700
02:50:48,410 --> 02:50:44,520
when I get fixated on a word

3701
02:50:50,090 --> 02:50:48,420
um let's see here uh I've got this uh

3702
02:50:52,550 --> 02:50:50,100
did a fair amount of reading on the

3703
02:50:55,670 --> 02:50:52,560
subject and came to the conclusion that

3704
02:50:58,670 --> 02:50:55,680
the answer was all of the above that's

3705
02:51:00,110 --> 02:50:58,680
awesome well you know what the better

3706
02:51:02,690 --> 02:51:00,120
question some people say the better

3707
02:51:05,210 --> 02:51:02,700
question is who didn't kill Kennedy

3708
02:51:07,070 --> 02:51:05,220
and then I say just to get people going

3709
02:51:07,770 --> 02:51:07,080
I'll say I know who didn't kill Kennedy

3710
02:51:10,910 --> 02:51:07,780
Oswald

3711
02:51:13,849 --> 02:51:10,920
[Laughter]

3712
02:51:16,150 --> 02:51:13,859
no the driver reached backed and popped

3713
02:51:20,929 --> 02:51:16,160
him too yeah you know

3714
02:51:23,330 --> 02:51:20,939
uh I can go on and on uh that's great

3715
02:51:25,309 --> 02:51:23,340
uh it's

3716
02:51:26,929 --> 02:51:25,319
um so

3717
02:51:29,150 --> 02:51:26,939
I want to go back to your point though

3718
02:51:32,450 --> 02:51:29,160
you just said it and you said it uh

3719
02:51:34,070 --> 02:51:32,460
about 15 minutes ago that

3720
02:51:37,070 --> 02:51:34,080
do you don't think Lee Harvey had

3721
02:51:39,530 --> 02:51:37,080
anything to do with it I mean he didn't

3722
02:51:42,410 --> 02:51:39,540
that he didn't kill Kennedy

3723
02:51:44,929 --> 02:51:42,420
there's strong evidence to suggest that

3724
02:51:48,110 --> 02:51:44,939
he he did try to stop

3725
02:51:50,870 --> 02:51:48,120
so he went to the FBI office in Dallas

3726
02:51:53,090 --> 02:51:50,880
handed him a note the guy who he handed

3727
02:51:54,349 --> 02:51:53,100
the note to had at first said yeah he

3728
02:51:56,269 --> 02:51:54,359
gave me the note and said there was

3729
02:51:58,250 --> 02:51:56,279
going to be some kind of an event blah

3730
02:52:01,130 --> 02:51:58,260
blah

3731
02:52:03,830 --> 02:52:01,140
okay Judith Barry Baker was some was

3732
02:52:05,690 --> 02:52:03,840
very controversial but she was in New

3733
02:52:08,090 --> 02:52:05,700
Orleans with Lee Harvey Oswald they had

3734
02:52:10,070 --> 02:52:08,100
an affair in the summer of 63.

3735
02:52:11,690 --> 02:52:10,080
I won't get into many we don't have time

3736
02:52:13,849 --> 02:52:11,700
to get in all the details of that but

3737
02:52:16,309 --> 02:52:13,859
she talked she knew him obviously at

3738
02:52:18,050 --> 02:52:16,319
that time he was sent to Dallas she

3739
02:52:20,750 --> 02:52:18,060
would talk to him on the phone

3740
02:52:23,090 --> 02:52:20,760
about 37 or so hours before the

3741
02:52:24,710 --> 02:52:23,100
assassination was the last time due to

3742
02:52:26,030 --> 02:52:24,720
the very Baker ever spoke to Lee Harvey

3743
02:52:27,889 --> 02:52:26,040
Oswald and during that conference

3744
02:52:30,769 --> 02:52:27,899
interview in the book this is what she

3745
02:52:33,910 --> 02:52:30,779
says I have every reason to believe her

3746
02:52:36,710 --> 02:52:33,920
he said he said he used to call it

3747
02:52:39,110 --> 02:52:36,720
jadiski jadisky because they both spoke

3748
02:52:41,330 --> 02:52:39,120
Russian her family was spoke Russian so

3749
02:52:43,790 --> 02:52:41,340
she knew a little Russian so he that was

3750
02:52:46,370 --> 02:52:43,800
his pet name for her and he said I don't

3751
02:52:47,870 --> 02:52:46,380
think I'm going to get out of this alive

3752
02:52:49,969 --> 02:52:47,880
and they were going to meet in Mexico

3753
02:52:52,070 --> 02:52:49,979
and they were in love now he was married

3754
02:52:53,290 --> 02:52:52,080
to Marina had two small girls and this

3755
02:52:55,429 --> 02:52:53,300
broke him up

3756
02:52:57,590 --> 02:52:55,439
especially the part with his kids we

3757
02:52:59,630 --> 02:52:57,600
didn't love Marina anymore anyway they

3758
02:53:02,210 --> 02:52:59,640
were gonna she's like meet me in Mexico

3759
02:53:04,010 --> 02:53:02,220
meet me in Mexico just don't do it don't

3760
02:53:05,990 --> 02:53:04,020
be there because at when he was in

3761
02:53:07,610 --> 02:53:06,000
Dallas for those couple of months he was

3762
02:53:08,809 --> 02:53:07,620
meeting with the Cuban Exiles and he

3763
02:53:11,150 --> 02:53:08,819
started meeting with people and he

3764
02:53:13,370 --> 02:53:11,160
realized what was really going to happen

3765
02:53:14,750 --> 02:53:13,380
and then he was a smart guy so then he's

3766
02:53:17,870 --> 02:53:14,760
thinking

3767
02:53:20,389 --> 02:53:17,880
to stop this right I'm gonna I'm gonna

3768
02:53:23,210 --> 02:53:20,399
tell the FBI about this and

3769
02:53:26,570 --> 02:53:23,220
you know he there's

3770
02:53:28,309 --> 02:53:26,580
I he was following orders but what they

3771
02:53:29,870 --> 02:53:28,319
would do is they would tell people what

3772
02:53:31,429 --> 02:53:29,880
they needed to know not everything so

3773
02:53:33,110 --> 02:53:31,439
you had people doing what they were

3774
02:53:35,050 --> 02:53:33,120
doing not really sure what they were

3775
02:53:40,550 --> 02:53:35,060
doing if that makes any sense

3776
02:53:42,710 --> 02:53:40,560
and so but what he told her is I can't

3777
02:53:45,230 --> 02:53:42,720
go there I can't get out of this because

3778
02:53:46,490 --> 02:53:45,240
if I do they'll kill my family and that

3779
02:53:48,590 --> 02:53:46,500
was I've heard this from other people

3780
02:53:50,809 --> 02:53:48,600
who were part they would tell to do

3781
02:53:53,150 --> 02:53:50,819
certain things in Dealey Plaza that day

3782
02:53:54,469 --> 02:53:53,160
that if they backed out this was they

3783
02:53:56,389 --> 02:53:54,479
would just threaten them they would say

3784
02:54:00,170 --> 02:53:56,399
you you're doing what you were told

3785
02:54:01,670 --> 02:54:00,180
ordered to do which was to be a patsy no

3786
02:54:03,530 --> 02:54:01,680
they didn't tell him that what they said

3787
02:54:05,630 --> 02:54:03,540
was you need to infiltrate the Cuban

3788
02:54:08,269 --> 02:54:05,640
Exiles you need to infiltrate some of

3789
02:54:11,510 --> 02:54:08,279
these in Dallas area that's why they got

3790
02:54:14,690 --> 02:54:11,520
in the job at the at the depository

3791
02:54:18,290 --> 02:54:14,700
and so what oz so Oswald is doing his

3792
02:54:21,469 --> 02:54:18,300
thing right and then he realizes what's

3793
02:54:23,929 --> 02:54:21,479
happening he tells Judith

3794
02:54:27,590 --> 02:54:23,939
I have to stay and all because they're

3795
02:54:30,349 --> 02:54:27,600
in my family and if I if I stay

3796
02:54:34,490 --> 02:54:30,359
there will be one less gun pointed at

3797
02:54:38,710 --> 02:54:34,500
Kennedy so what what is he what is his

3798
02:54:41,330 --> 02:54:38,720
understanding of what he was staying for

3799
02:54:42,769 --> 02:54:41,340
he thought he was going to be part of an

3800
02:54:44,750 --> 02:54:42,779
abort team

3801
02:54:47,269 --> 02:54:44,760
to try to

3802
02:54:48,290 --> 02:54:47,279
prevent any kind of assassination

3803
02:54:49,790 --> 02:54:48,300
attempt

3804
02:54:51,889 --> 02:54:49,800
but then when he realized that again

3805
02:54:53,450 --> 02:54:51,899
he's realizing wait why am I why are

3806
02:54:55,490 --> 02:54:53,460
they putting me here why are they giving

3807
02:54:57,290 --> 02:54:55,500
me a job here why am I doing this and

3808
02:54:58,849 --> 02:54:57,300
what and he's listening to what these

3809
02:55:00,590 --> 02:54:58,859
people are saying because he's trying to

3810
02:55:02,150 --> 02:55:00,600
infiltrate

3811
02:55:04,670 --> 02:55:02,160
but what they're really doing is just

3812
02:55:06,469 --> 02:55:04,680
setting them up to be a part of it to be

3813
02:55:10,030 --> 02:55:06,479
in that group to be part of that whole

3814
02:55:14,750 --> 02:55:10,040
thing right but what they were doing is

3815
02:55:17,570 --> 02:55:14,760
they okay so you have

3816
02:55:19,010 --> 02:55:17,580
the the whole there's a whole Cuban

3817
02:55:22,429 --> 02:55:19,020
connection to this from the standpoint

3818
02:55:26,570 --> 02:55:24,769
Oswald knew these guys he knew them in

3819
02:55:28,190 --> 02:55:26,580
New Orleans because he was part he he

3820
02:55:30,230 --> 02:55:28,200
worked with he was part of what David

3821
02:55:32,929 --> 02:55:30,240
Ferry was doing with training these guys

3822
02:55:34,670 --> 02:55:32,939
it was Operation Mongoose right they

3823
02:55:36,230 --> 02:55:34,680
were going to go back in they were going

3824
02:55:38,570 --> 02:55:36,240
to have another Bay of Pigs but this

3825
02:55:41,330 --> 02:55:38,580
time they were going to overthrow Castro

3826
02:55:43,010 --> 02:55:41,340
so they were training for this all right

3827
02:55:44,929 --> 02:55:43,020
and this is what David Ferry was doing

3828
02:55:48,110 --> 02:55:44,939
it was they were all CIA operators it

3829
02:55:50,150 --> 02:55:48,120
was a CIA uh operation

3830
02:55:51,650 --> 02:55:50,160
so there were all these connections so

3831
02:55:53,150 --> 02:55:51,660
Oswald's piecing it all together and

3832
02:55:53,929 --> 02:55:53,160
then so he's telling Judith he goes

3833
02:55:55,490 --> 02:55:53,939
listen

3834
02:55:57,769 --> 02:55:55,500
I have to stay

3835
02:55:59,450 --> 02:55:57,779
I don't know what's going to happen but

3836
02:56:01,849 --> 02:55:59,460
I have to stay and I have to see this

3837
02:56:04,070 --> 02:56:01,859
through but if I'm here there'll be one

3838
02:56:06,530 --> 02:56:04,080
less gun pointed at Kennedy so he

3839
02:56:08,210 --> 02:56:06,540
thought I what I take from that is is

3840
02:56:10,010 --> 02:56:08,220
that he thought he was part he was going

3841
02:56:11,389 --> 02:56:10,020
to try to stop it that he was a part of

3842
02:56:14,690 --> 02:56:11,399
this aboard team

3843
02:56:16,730 --> 02:56:14,700
he soon realized at some point

3844
02:56:19,969 --> 02:56:16,740
and I think it was when he talked to

3845
02:56:22,610 --> 02:56:19,979
Judith that he was figuring it out that

3846
02:56:25,849 --> 02:56:22,620
oh my god there I could be a patsy here

3847
02:56:27,849 --> 02:56:25,859
and what did he say when he was arrested

3848
02:56:29,990 --> 02:56:27,859
I'm a patsy

3849
02:56:32,690 --> 02:56:30,000
he said it

3850
02:56:34,670 --> 02:56:32,700
right why would a guy you know it's like

3851
02:56:36,290 --> 02:56:34,680
people usually you assassinate someone

3852
02:56:38,570 --> 02:56:36,300
they're pretty boastful about it right

3853
02:56:40,070 --> 02:56:38,580
it's like yeah I got him I got him you

3854
02:56:41,870 --> 02:56:40,080
know like they're crazy

3855
02:56:44,389 --> 02:56:41,880
he's saying I'm a patsy I didn't do this

3856
02:56:46,309 --> 02:56:44,399
I want a lawyer please someone represent

3857
02:56:49,070 --> 02:56:46,319
me

3858
02:56:51,610 --> 02:56:49,080
and so anyway so there's a there's a lot

3859
02:56:54,590 --> 02:56:51,620
of evidence to suggest that Oswald was

3860
02:56:56,450 --> 02:56:54,600
truly set up like he was on that he was

3861
02:56:57,650 --> 02:56:56,460
literally on the ground floor at the

3862
02:56:58,730 --> 02:56:57,660
time of the shooting and there's a

3863
02:57:01,130 --> 02:56:58,740
picture that

3864
02:57:03,889 --> 02:57:01,140
a lot of people say is him

3865
02:57:06,230 --> 02:57:03,899
uh and he's standing there in the in the

3866
02:57:08,030 --> 02:57:06,240
on the on the front front steps of the

3867
02:57:09,889 --> 02:57:08,040
depository watching like everyone else

3868
02:57:12,530 --> 02:57:09,899
was right so he couldn't have been on

3869
02:57:14,690 --> 02:57:12,540
the sixth floor if he was down there so

3870
02:57:16,849 --> 02:57:14,700
and then he so he realizes what's going

3871
02:57:19,309 --> 02:57:16,859
on he goes back to the boarding house he

3872
02:57:22,250 --> 02:57:19,319
gets his gun he realizes now he probably

3873
02:57:24,650 --> 02:57:22,260
calls his Handler a CIA Handler the CIA

3874
02:57:27,469 --> 02:57:24,660
Handler tells him go to the Texas

3875
02:57:30,530 --> 02:57:27,479
theater we'll I'll meet you there

3876
02:57:31,969 --> 02:57:30,540
why do you they setting him up he goes

3877
02:57:34,910 --> 02:57:31,979
to the Texas theater and the next thing

3878
02:57:36,469 --> 02:57:34,920
you know there's 200 cops there beating

3879
02:57:38,150 --> 02:57:36,479
him up and arresting him that's why I

3880
02:57:41,690 --> 02:57:38,160
had the black eye

3881
02:57:44,630 --> 02:57:41,700
in the meantime tippet gets killed

3882
02:57:46,190 --> 02:57:44,640
they that's they blame him for that he I

3883
02:57:47,750 --> 02:57:46,200
don't know if he did or had anything he

3884
02:57:49,670 --> 02:57:47,760
might have been defending himself at

3885
02:57:52,010 --> 02:57:49,680
that point but it may not have been him

3886
02:57:54,410 --> 02:57:52,020
at all he's like

3887
02:57:56,150 --> 02:57:54,420
he he is he goes he goes to the theater

3888
02:57:58,309 --> 02:57:56,160
meanwhile now now they have they

3889
02:57:59,870 --> 02:57:58,319
arrested him for killing Tippett they

3890
02:58:01,670 --> 02:57:59,880
didn't arrest him for Killing Kennedy

3891
02:58:04,130 --> 02:58:01,680
that's right that's right that's right

3892
02:58:05,929 --> 02:58:04,140
so yeah on the way and they said that's

3893
02:58:07,670 --> 02:58:05,939
what all I know is I'm being I

3894
02:58:09,769 --> 02:58:07,680
apparently killed a police officer I

3895
02:58:11,870 --> 02:58:09,779
don't know why I'm here right

3896
02:58:13,610 --> 02:58:11,880
so that was the whole thing there and

3897
02:58:15,410 --> 02:58:13,620
then so and then like you said earlier

3898
02:58:17,630 --> 02:58:15,420
on this interview why in the world were

3899
02:58:19,969 --> 02:58:17,640
how did they all of a sudden they all

3900
02:58:21,530 --> 02:58:19,979
knew he was at the Texas theater

3901
02:58:23,570 --> 02:58:21,540
well how'd they know he was at the Texas

3902
02:58:26,809 --> 02:58:23,580
theater that's right that's right that's

3903
02:58:30,050 --> 02:58:26,819
right that's right uh the book is called

3904
02:58:32,809 --> 02:58:30,060
Killing Kennedy exposing the plot it was

3905
02:58:35,929 --> 02:58:32,819
released on November 15th it's available

3906
02:58:38,090 --> 02:58:35,939
on Amazon we have the links below

3907
02:58:40,790 --> 02:58:38,100
excuse me Jack Jack fantastic

3908
02:58:42,530 --> 02:58:40,800
conversation my friend yeah so thank you

3909
02:58:44,750 --> 02:58:42,540
for having me on this is always fun with

3910
02:58:46,670 --> 02:58:44,760
you man I really appreciate it Jack

3911
02:58:48,830 --> 02:58:46,680
you're the absolute best man I'm so

3912
02:58:51,889 --> 02:58:48,840
proud to call you friend but the book is

3913
02:58:54,830 --> 02:58:51,899
a great read and I highly recommend it

3914
02:58:58,010 --> 02:58:54,840
and I'll tell you what read the book

3915
02:59:01,429 --> 02:58:58,020
watch Oliver Stone's new documentary and

3916
02:59:05,330 --> 02:59:01,439
then everybody to get back to me

3917
02:59:07,849 --> 02:59:05,340
that's awesome I'm being serious I'm

3918
02:59:10,370 --> 02:59:07,859
being serious uh Jack thank you so much

3919
02:59:12,889 --> 02:59:10,380
uh my best to you and your family Happy

3920
02:59:14,990 --> 02:59:12,899
Thanksgiving enjoy the holidays thank

3921
02:59:17,510 --> 02:59:15,000
you so much thanks Jimmy I really

3922
02:59:20,269 --> 02:59:17,520
appreciate it thank you Jack Roth now

3923
02:59:23,330 --> 02:59:20,279
the Links for the book are below it is

3924
02:59:25,969 --> 02:59:23,340
called Killing Kennedy exposing the plot

3925
02:59:26,650 --> 02:59:25,979
I am your host Jimmy Church what a great

3926
02:59:28,070 --> 02:59:26,660
show tonight

3927
02:59:31,010 --> 02:59:28,080
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03:00:16,250 --> 03:00:15,359
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03:00:18,590 --> 03:00:16,260
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3951
03:00:20,570 --> 03:00:18,600
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03:00:23,020 --> 03:00:20,580
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